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Old 01-25-2010, 11:54 AM   #1
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Default Sl2- disc vs drum brakes

What year did Saturn decide to switch to front disc and drum rear? I thought Sl2s were 4 disc brakes and only DOHC

My 93 SL2 has 4 disc brakes. I was looking at a 2002 it was drum and sohc. What gives?

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Old 01-25-2010, 12:01 PM   #2
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It has nothing to do with engine type. ABS-equipped coupes and sedans got rear discs up to about '98.

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Old 01-25-2010, 12:11 PM   #3
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It has nothing to do with engine type. ABS-equipped coupes and sedans got rear discs up to about '98.
Wagons too.

And I guess some 93-98 wagons had rear drum with ABS. But in all my years, I've never seen it. My 1993 SW has ABS with rear disc.

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1998 was the last year for disc brakes as an option on the rear.

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Old 01-25-2010, 12:14 PM   #5
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Wagons too.

And I guess some 93-98 wagons had rear drum with ABS. But in all my years, I've never seen it. My 1993 SW has ABS with rear disc.
Wonder if it's a regional thing. I've only seen a few ABS wagons (including mine), and they were all rear drums.

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Wonder if it's a regional thing.
Thats exactly what I was thinking. Every wagon I've ever worked on or seen at the junkyards with ABS have had rear disc's.

Even my little wagon started as a SOHC auto with ABS. Thats about all it had. It's quite different now. The only way you can tell it was ever a SW1 is by the VIN.

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Old 01-25-2010, 01:24 PM   #7
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i tried to order rear discs on my 2001 sc2 but they told me that saturn determined that a light car such as the saturn didn't really need rear discs & therefore to reduce costs the rear disc option was deleted...

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A quick search will tell you how to swap rear disks onto an S-Series with rear drums. It's very easy, and not terribly expensive.

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Old 01-25-2010, 06:21 PM   #9
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A quick search will tell you how to swap rear disks onto an S-Series with rear drums. It's very easy, and not terribly expensive.
I'm so pumped to do mine in the spring..

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i don't know why someone would even consider throwing money into a disc/drum swap. sure discs are easier to work on, but as far as stopping power goes, i don't think there's that much difference being on the rear of a light economy car like a saturn. it's the front brakes that do most of the work & those are disc brakes. that's all that matters. if we are talking about a 1970 chevelle with a 454 engine, then i would consider it. i wanted to order rear discs just because their easier to replace, but could'nt, end of story. i did inquire why i seen older saturns with rear discs, but they told me what i posted above.

at last year's auto show i asked a chevy salesman if front led headlights will be phased into the lineup soon, & he told me someday they will, but for now they are trying to make these cars less expensive, & stuff like that is expensive. so i guess the motto of the story is when they are trying to make cars less expensive, things will be deleted that really ain't that important...

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Old 01-25-2010, 06:24 PM   #11
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i don't know why someone would even consider throwing money into a disc/drum swap. sure discs are easier to work on, but as far as stopping power goes, i don't think there's that much difference being on the rear of a light economy car like a saturn. it's the front brakes that do most of the work & those are disc brakes. that's all that matters. i wanted to order rear discs just because their easier to replace, but xould'nt, end of story. i did inquire why i seen older saturns with rear discs, but they told me what i posted above.

at last year's auto show i asked a chevy salesman if front led headlights will be phased into the lineup soon, & he told me someday they will, but for now they are trying to make these cars less expensive, & stuff like that is expensive. so i guess the motto of the story is when they are trying to make cars less expensive, things will be deleted that really ain't that important...
You're totally right, its a mere personal preference. I don't expect better stopping power from my rear discs, but I'm going to do it anyway.. They look better, and I prefer maintaining disc brakes, so its all good.

Oh, and core charge return $ is awesome on saturn rear brake parts, so if you got them from a junkyard like me, you can exchange 'em for new for almost 1/2 price off. (at least in my neck of the woods)

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You're totally right, its a mere personal preference. I don't expect better stopping power from my rear discs, but I'm going to do it anyway.. They look better, and I prefer maintaining disc brakes, so its all good.

Oh, and core charge return $ is awesome on saturn rear brake parts, so if you got them from a junkyard like me, you can exchange 'em for new for almost 1/2 price off. (at least in my neck of the woods)
no doubt discs look better. i love the look of a shiny rotor through the wheels instead of a rusty color drum. junkyard parts will be dirt cheap. it's just all work really, not expense. another plus is you sometimes can actually check the pad thickness right throiugh thw wheel so it doesn't have to be removed. i love that plus. for drums on the other hand, they make better parking brakes because of the self energizing nature of drums, & also the shoes last way longer than disc pads. mine are original with 42,000 miles on the car while the front have been replaced twice, as i do lots of city driving....

ah hell though....drum shoes ain't really hard to replace through. the springs can be hard to install unless you have good spring pliers...

keep us posted on it's progress. there is many threads on this here as i read many of them...

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no doubt discs look better. i love the look of a shiny rotor through the wheels instead of a rusty color drum. junkyard parts will be dirt cheap. it's just all work really, not expense. another plus is you sometimes can actually check the pad thickness right throiugh thw wheel so it doesn't have to be removed. i love that plus. for drums on the other hand, they make better parking brakes because of the self energizing nature of drums, & also the shoes last way longer than disc pads. mine are original with 42,000 miles on the car while the front have been replaced twice, as i do lots of city driving....

keep us posted on it's progress. there is many threads on this here as i read many of them...
If I decide to keep my SL2 that long, I'm doing the work in the spring for sure.

No need right now, I live in Canada and its cold and snowy this time of year obviously, so I'm only doing what has to be done (just spent most of the weekend in the garage anyways) but the rear brake swap is just not needed right now.

One thing I gotta decide on is if I'm gonna jimmy rig my e-brake cable or get another set from a rear disc car.

For what its worth, on my '96, as far as I can tell, the rear brakes are all original still with decent life left... around 135k miles.

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If I decide to keep my SL2 that long, I'm doing the work in the spring for sure.

No need right now, I live in Canada and its cold and snowy this time of year obviously, so I'm only doing what has to be done (just spent most of the weekend in the garage anyways) but the rear brake swap is just not needed right now.

One thing I gotta decide on is if I'm gonna jimmy rig my e-brake cable or get another set from a rear disc car.

For what its worth, on my '96, as far as I can tell, the rear brakes are all original still with decent life left... around 135k miles.
i would just get the proper parking cable from a disc brake car. i don't know if the master cylinder would be different, it might be as there's usually more fluid volume for disc brakes vs drum, also if your car has anti-lock brakes with traction control that has to be taken into consideration...

you will have to do parts checks to see if all those issues are interchangeable...

sometimes all disc brake cars also have different power brake boosters as it takes more force to apply disc brakes vs drum... i don't know if this apllies to saturns through as they are all small light cars...

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i would just get the proper parking cable from a disc brake car. i don't know if the master cylinder would be different, it might be as there's usually more fluid volume for disc brakes vs drum, also if your car has anti-lock brakes with traction control that has to be taken into consideration...

you will have to do parts checks to see if all those issues are interchangeable...

sometimes all disc brake cars also have different power brake boosters as it takes more force to apply disc brakes vs drum... i don't know if this apllies to saturns through as they are all small light cars...
I've done enough reading, it'll all bolt up and work.
The e-brake cable can be made to work, because new are expensive, and finding a 96 SL2 with rear disc and a good e-brake cable is not going to be a walk in the park. Many years of sedan e-brake cable are not interchangeable for some stupid reason, so its a big hassle.

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i would just get the proper parking cable from a disc brake car. i don't know if the master cylinder would be different, it might be as there's usually more fluid volume for disc brakes vs drum, also if your car has anti-lock brakes with traction control that has to be taken into consideration...

you will have to do parts checks to see if all those issues are interchangeable...

sometimes all disc brake cars also have different power brake boosters as it takes more force to apply disc brakes vs drum... i don't know if this apllies to saturns through as they are all small light cars...
No difference in the brake booster, master cyl, or any of that between rear disk & drum S-Series. The differences are straightforward - disk instead of drum, different cable, technically a different brake line, but the drum line works fine on the disks.

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i don't know why someone would even consider throwing money into a disc/drum swap. sure discs are easier to work on, but as far as stopping power goes, i don't think there's that much difference being on the rear of a light economy car like a saturn. it's the front brakes that do most of the work & those are disc brakes.
there is a difference when you use the brakes more than once. I did rear disc conversions on my 92 SC and 96 SC2 and the brakes worked better during open track days with the rear discs. drums do not dissipate heat as well as discs so the brake pedal would fade during the session. with the rear discs the brakes were more consistent. it is much easier to inspect discs too. I could check the rotor and pad thickness without even removing the wheels by using a mirror inside the wheel spokes. yes the front brakes do most of the work but having more effective rear brakes makes the entire system work better.

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I agree. I hate working on drum brakes. I spent an entire weekend removing the damn rear drums on an old 1989 olds. My 93 takes less than 3 hrs to fix the 4 disc brakes. My 93 is dying and I have been looking for a new sl2, because I love my old car. However, The Rear drums and SOHC are a real bummer on a 2002 I was looking at.

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The e-brake cable can be made to work, because new are expensive, and finding a 96 SL2 with rear disc and a good e-brake cable is not going to be a walk in the park. Many years of sedan e-brake cable are not interchangeable for some stupid reason, so its a big hassle.
Do not rig up your parking brake cable. Get the correct one. New one's arent that expensive and junkyard ones are easy to find. You have a wide range of S-Series to pull them from.

The stupid reason why the cable was changed was because of interior design changes that needed a different parking brake handle assembly. And for coupes, the frame was lengthened in 1997.

A few weeks ago I was at the junkyard with a friend and we saw at least 15 S-Series with rear disc. If I had the money at the time, I would of pulled all of them.

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My 93 takes less than 3 hrs to fix the 4 disc brakes.
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