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Old 10-29-2009, 09:58 PM   #1
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Default GM Retains High End Brands?

Just curious if readers feel Ford or Chrysler now have the edge on economical, and affordable vehicles.
Afer all Buick, Corvette, Cadillac and GMC vehicles don't exactly fit into this class compared to the Pontiac, Saturn brands. Granted they kept Chevy, so how does that compare especially in post recessionary times?

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Old 10-29-2009, 10:46 PM   #2
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Chevy is their entry level brand.

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Old 10-29-2009, 10:49 PM   #3
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Hard to say about Chrysler, since new owner Fiat is discontinuing the Chrysler PT Cruiser and Sebring; Dodge Caliber, Nitro, Avenger and Grand Caravan; and Jeep Commander, Compass and Patriot, and replacing them with Italian imports,

I guess time will tell, but they had better be of higher quality than the last generation of Fiats sold in America. The 128 and the Spyder tended to rust out before most people's loans were paid off, if the crappy electrical systems didn't give out first.

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Old 10-29-2009, 10:50 PM   #4
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Chevy is equiviliant to what Ford is. Their mainstream brand.

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Old 10-29-2009, 11:50 PM   #5
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Explain why they're killing off the (grand) caravan and PT cruiser. Not only was the PT mostly 4cyl (unlike most chryslers) but the (grand) caravans have been around for awhile.

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Old 10-30-2009, 12:21 AM   #6
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Hard to say about Chrysler, since new owner Fiat is discontinuing the Chrysler PT Cruiser and Sebring; Dodge Caliber, Nitro, Avenger and Grand Caravan; and Jeep Commander, Compass and Patriot, and replacing them with Italian imports,

I guess time will tell, but they had better be of higher quality than the last generation of Fiats sold in America. The 128 and the Spyder tended to rust out before most people's loans were paid off, if the crappy electrical systems didn't give out first.

WOW. That's quite a bombshell! Did you read this somewhere?
I have to agree with you that FIAT (Fix It Again Tony) models weren't very reliable when they imported their models in the past and I seriously doubt that they can stand up to the weather in the northern U.S. and Canada.

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Old 10-30-2009, 08:04 AM   #7
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WOW. That's quite a bombshell! Did you read this somewhere?
I have to agree with you that FIAT (Fix It Again Tony) models weren't very reliable when they imported their models in the past and I seriously doubt that they can stand up to the weather in the northern U.S. and Canada.
Wall Street Journal earlier in the week. MSNBC, Allpar. The 500 is to be built in Mexico, LX platform sharing of the 300c/Charger with Alfa Fiat and Lancia and built @ Brampton in Canada. But the big announcement comes on Nov 4th when they release the plan for going forward. A 6 hour event.

Ford is redoing the Focus and bringing the Fiesta soon. GM is still dicking around with the Cruze. I'll be looking at Ford, Kia, Hyundai and even Nissan for a small car the next time I am in the market. Would love to get a Caliber, just because the media loves to hate on it so much... and it's got a better than average reliability rating according to Consumer Reports !

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Old 10-31-2009, 12:54 PM   #8
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GM retains gas guzzlers and impractical cars !
GM has not changed its ways

GM got rid of Saturn because it is not into economical , efficient , people friendly , low maintenance type cars that conflict with the cars they are trying to sell .

GM is focusing all there attention on the wealthy clientele and ignoring the majority of ordinary folks that just want a good running simple , COST FRIENDLY vehicle.

GM still wants to rip you off and say its the American way .

GM sucks bucks .

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GM retains gas guzzlers and impractical cars !
GM has not changed its ways

GM got rid of Saturn because it is not into economical , efficient , people friendly , low maintenance type cars that conflict with the cars they are trying to sell .

GM is focusing all there attention on the wealthy clientele and ignoring the majority of ordinary folks that just want a good running simple , COST FRIENDLY vehicle.

GM still wants to rip you off and say its the American way .

GM sucks bucks .
By the time the ION was discontinued, Chevy added "XFE" models to the Cobalt that were more fuel efficient than both other Cobalt models as well as the ION were before, and the new Equinox four-cylinder is rated by the EPA for better fuel efficiency than the VUE four-cylinder was, at 22 city/32 highway for the Equinox vs. the VUE's 19 city/26 highway. The Malibu still continues with the same 22 city/33 highway I4/6-speed auto setup the Aura shared.

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Old 10-31-2009, 02:04 PM   #10
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hate to say it but gm makes very very low maintanance cars that get excellent gas mileage. line for line they are at or near the top of gas mileage charts.

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WOW. That's quite a bombshell! Did you read this somewhere?
I have to agree with you that FIAT (Fix It Again Tony) models weren't very reliable when they imported their models in the past and I seriously doubt that they can stand up to the weather in the northern U.S. and Canada.
Always strikes me as funny when people bring up foreign cars from 20 years ago but forget all cars 20 years ago were awful lol. At least unlike american manufacturers foreign ones have improved haha

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Old 10-31-2009, 03:18 PM   #12
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hate to say it but gm makes very very low maintanance cars that get excellent gas mileage. line for line they are at or near the top of gas mileage charts.
if you hate to say it then why are you saying it ??

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Old 10-31-2009, 03:28 PM   #13
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Seriously? Seriously? You mean they retained the platform mates for the Saturns. Does slapping a Saturn emblem on it suddenly bump its fuel economy and make it practical?

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Hmm, so the Cobalt, Malibu, Traverse, Equinox are all gas guzzling, unfriendly maintenance hogs? The vehicles that were duplicated in the Saturn lineup (however they were not selling in the Saturn lineup) are what I am referring to here.
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The running costs of the other GM vehicles (with a few exceptions) are identical to their Saturn counterparts... what are you getting at.

Seriously... I understand people are pissed that Saturn is going away - but did all common sense go out the door with it? It was a duplicated brand marque that did not differentiate itself from the other GM brands in the past few years and could never escape its (unfairly earned in some cases) poor brand image. The GM lineup makes sense now... Saturn turned into the gangrenous leg that needed to be hacked off.

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Old 10-31-2009, 03:33 PM   #14
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your the one that has the boxing gloves on dude , you can take your theory and ( well you know )

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your the one that has the boxing gloves on dude , you can take your theory and ( well you know )
I don't have boxing gloves on.

People are either blinded by product love or don't have a firm grasp of how business operates. It sucks, but you all act like GM did something wrong in terminating the brand to stay afloat.

What makes you think the platform mates of Saturn coming from Chevrolet are not as good if not better than their Saturn counterparts?

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I don't have boxing gloves on.

People are either blinded by product love or don't have a firm grasp of how business operates. It sucks, but you all act like GM did something wrong in terminating the brand to stay afloat.
gm did do something wrong by terminating Saturn , Saturn was a good product , and we are entitled to our opinion of GM .

So , I think its weird that your on this site fighting for a company that let the Saturn corporation die .

This is a Saturn support web site -- not a GM web site
and I don't take your approach here as friendly .

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gm did do something wrong by terminating Saturn , Saturn was a good product , and we are entitled to our opinion of GM .
Saturn was a good product. Saturn unfortunately fell victim to badge engineering, absurdly poor marketing and a generally unfavorable reputation among media and many car ignorant consumers.

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The GM corporation now did not let Saturn die. The GM corporation prior to the restructuring let Saturn die - by the time of the restructuring, the brand was beyond hope.
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This is a Saturn support web site -- not a GM web site and I don't take your approach here as friendly .
Saturn is, was, and always has been a GM product. My approach is that of someone who has been active on this site for pushing 8 years, someone who worked for a Saturn retailer for 4 years, someone who follows the automotive industry quite closely, and someone who has business knowledge of what has happened with GM. I'm perfectly friendly - but am very fact of the matter. Take note of my avatar picture - that was taken on my 3rd trip to the factory. People who aren't fans of the brand typically don't visit the factory once, let alone 3 times.

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The GM corporation now did not let Saturn die. The GM corporation prior to the restructuring let Saturn die - by the time of the restructuring, the brand was beyond hope.

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you make it sound like there are/were two different GM's ??? (nice one)-- as far as I know there is AND ONLY WAS one company that has ever been GM.
Sure there has been restructuring - but does that make the past ok ?

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Saturn was a good product..
good , I'm glad we agree on that

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Saturn is, was, and always has been a GM product. My approach is that of someone who has been active on this site for pushing 8 years, someone who worked for a Saturn retailer for 4 years, someone who follows the automotive industry quite closely, and someone who has business knowledge of what has happened with GM. I'm perfectly friendly - but am very fact of the matter. Take note of my avatar picture - that was taken on my 3rd trip to the factory. People who aren't fans of the brand typically don't visit the factory once, let alone 3 times.[/QUOTE]

Yes its always been a GM product - but somewhere down the line the Saturn idea was lost AND GM LOST IT of course we all know that gm started Saturn but they screwed up the idea of Saturn down the line . Also , you definitely have a lot of experience when it comes to Saturn and a past love for the car . THEN WHY ARE YOU SUPPORTING THE VERY COMPANY THAT LET US ALL DOWN ??

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