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Old 09-14-2009, 12:56 AM   #1
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Old 09-14-2009, 08:17 AM   #2
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Yes ! I'd Love to see that. Nice 2door Aura racing against Toyota. Roger you listening ??????
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Old 09-14-2009, 09:40 AM   #3
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How about a spec road-racing series for the new Saturn sedan?

When I was a little kid, there was a spec series for VW Rabbits called the Bilstein Cup. It was great fun to watch and it helped establish VW as an enthusiast's brand, not just an economy brand:

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Old 09-14-2009, 09:46 AM   #4
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Absolutely not. Autoracing is possibly the most expensive and least productive form of advertising. Put that money into salable product please.
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Old 09-14-2009, 10:22 AM   #5
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Not sure of the question. Doesn't the Sky already compete in group T2 in SCCA?
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Old 09-14-2009, 05:41 PM   #6
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With the SKY gone thats a mood point, the AURA does not need to be a 2dr to race in nascar. The ION Redline and the SC's raced with Saturn backing in SCCA. SC2 ran SSC if I remember, while a Redline ran with backing in T3 and other classes. ICY also ran a SC with support from Saturn years ago. Saturn does not have a V/8 engine to race in nascar so I don't see that working out for now.
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Old 09-14-2009, 07:16 PM   #7
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Absolutely not. Autoracing is possibly the most expensive and least productive form of advertising. Put that money into salable product please.
Right on! Assuming that Saturn won't be building something to challenge a Challenger on the street, this would be a waste of resources.

To wit, what did the racing Saturns of yore develop that went into production cars anyways? (note, I didn't mention the aftermarket).
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Old 09-14-2009, 10:56 PM   #8
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they should, but with what? SKY is gone. ASTRA needs the 2.0T engine.
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Old 09-14-2009, 11:08 PM   #9
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Absolutely not. Autoracing is possibly the most expensive and least productive form of advertising. Put that money into salable product please.
I totally agree. I think it's pretty ridiculous that Toyota has fielded the Camry in NASCAR when 1) you can't get a V8 in it, 2) the Camry is a front-wheel-drive snore-mobile. The Craftsman Truck Series (Toyota Tundra) I can see, even if all the NASCAR classes are really just spec racing leagues with tube frames and identical bodies with stickers to make them look different.

Saturn has a LOT better things to spend their money on. I liked how Lisa had the 1,000 HP Pro Stock ION, because that motor was actually a GM Performance Parts build-up of what you could actually BUY in an ION. Given enough time and money, you too could build up your 2.0L Ecotec into basically what they ran <10 second quarter mile runs in.

With the passing of the Sky and Solstice, and their respective brands leaving the GM stable in one way or another, GM has nothing really to compete in the SCCA classes with except for the Corvette. I have to wonder if the "Impala SS" in NASCAR will become "Camaro SS" in a year or two... The Saturn brand is not performance-oriented enough to warrant the huge sums of money that a factory-backed racing effort requires. Even something like the VW spec racing series takes a LOT of $$ and man-power to run, and Saturn isn't established enough to fork over that kinda money that should be spent on silly things like marketing the vehicles they currently have BETTER than GM ever did, and designing, engineering, and building the next generation of cars and crossovers to populate the Saturn showrooms.
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Old 09-14-2009, 11:38 PM   #10
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With what, the Aura?
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Old 09-14-2009, 11:51 PM   #11
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A wildly enthusiastic YES!, but conflicted. When I first heard speculation that Roger Penske would run his NASCAR team as Saturns, my initial reaction was "God, no. Please!" Which has much to do with what NASCAR has become. Stock? No longer. You want to make it a Ford or a Chevy? Or Toyota for that matter? Put the right grille/headlight decals on it and pretend...REALLY HARD! The current stock car has more in common with a 1965 Ford Galaxie out of the Holman-Moody shops than with anything currently sold- rear drive Dodges included. One more shot: LIGHTNING McQUEEN is closer to stock than these cars! Ah, forgive the rant.

But...rightly or otherwise, NASCAR is the biggest kahuna in American motorsports. For NASCAR Nation to give Saturn this level of attention...IS significant.

All that being said, I am, at my core, a road racer. That is where Saturn needs to start. While there are two competing visions and two competing race series at the top (American LeMans Series vs Grand Am), there are also two different race series for closer-to-stock sports cars and small sedans- Koni Challenge (run by Grand Am), and SPEED World Challenge (SCCA sanction). Each series has a touring class, sized so that the Astra's successor can go toe to toe with Acura, Honda, VW, Mazda, BMW, and Chevy Cobalt (Ion derived, remember?)

Even though the "tuners" didn't think Saturns were cool, the SC's do have a racing heritage. Dave Rosenblum's ICY (Inner City Youth) Racing. The guys at SPS. And a National championship at The Runoffs- SCCA Club Racing.

One more racing note- Remember, in the 90's, Saturn sponsored a pro cycling team. I was in the bicycle business back then, and connected with Saturn Cycling before I connected with the cars.
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Old 09-15-2009, 08:33 AM   #12
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needs a clear differentiator from GM-Saturn. NASCAR options are a thought but also badging the Indy cars should be considered. Just as NASCAR race cars have little in common with the showrooms its all a branding game.

With 'factory' support dwindling in NASCAR and Chrysler/Dodge perhaps in the worst shape (if you believe reports) 'self promoting' Saturn would be a big mindshare boost. The David Stremme 12 car is already primary sponsored by Penske Racing so its not a huge stretch to picture it with 'Saturn' head/tail lamp decals applied to it...
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Old 09-15-2009, 09:15 AM   #13
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One thing at a time. Make the car first.
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Old 09-15-2009, 08:22 PM   #14
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Old 09-16-2009, 12:44 PM   #15
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My son and I are NASCAR fans and racing fans in general. When Roger Penske's purchase of Saturn is final, and things settle down, I think it would be great to see the Saturn brand out there on the NASCAR tracks.

Remember, Roger Penske is a business man first. If he believes putting Saturn in NASCAR racing is good for his Saturn business, then he will persue it.

As for the V8 engine question, for the next couple of years Saturn's will be built by GM so I assume the Saturn V8 used for racing would be the same that Chevy presently uses. After that, not sure where the V8's will be supplied?

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Absolutely not. Autoracing is possibly the most expensive and least productive form of advertising. Put that money into salable product please.

I agree. Penske Saturn needs to have an entry-level car first then use the profit to develop something in-house before going out and racing - unless they plan to compete in Renault Meganes. That will go over real well in NASCAR Nation, where Toyotas still get a cool reception on the track.

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As I understand it, Saturn is just 3 vehicles now: Aura, Vue, and Outlook -correct? None of these are suitable for any kind of racing that Saturn should invest in. Getting into NASCAR, now that it's in a decline, is pointless. Toyota will continue to outspend everyone in NASCAR until they are the only ones left.

If Saturn ever gets something that resembles a sports car, then yes, I'd like to see them get into a production based, sports car road racing series...
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Any FWD drive model nameplates shouldn't be allowed on the Nascar cars. It's just stupid. But then Toyota would be 100% out of the game as they (so far as I know) no longer offer a RWD since the demise of the Supra.

I kinda got out of Nascar when I: A) learned to drive (lots of corners are better then 2) and B) #3 hit the wall.
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