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Old 07-28-2009, 12:10 AM   #1
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Representatives from Penske Automotive Group are in Korea this month at Renault Samsung's technical center reviewing and evaluating the company's SM3 compact car (pictured on the right) for possible export to the United States, according to a story published yesterday in South Korea's Chosun Ilbo newspaper.

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Old 07-28-2009, 12:29 AM   #2
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Nice looking car, the 2010 Samsung SM-3.

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Old 07-28-2009, 01:05 AM   #3
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Old 07-28-2009, 01:59 AM   #4
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Saturn needs a compact sedan like this now not the end of next year. They have to be able to move faster.

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Old 07-28-2009, 02:18 AM   #5
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If the Penske Auto Group does it right they may have a winner on their hands.
GM had the tendency sometimes to bring out new models without having everything in place. When the Astra first appeared I was told that the service department did not have the necessary codes to obtain data.That was not too smart of GM . If the Penske people take the time to do it right the first time they could be very successful. After all there is nothing like a good first impression is there?

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Old 07-28-2009, 09:01 AM   #6
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Looks good. When the time comes I'll definitely consider one. Otherwise it's Ford or Hyundai.

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Old 07-28-2009, 09:33 AM   #7
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I wonder if we'll get the turbodiesel option?

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Old 07-28-2009, 09:40 AM   #8
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I have been trying to get more information on this car but its kind of hard since their site is in Korean. I did find this review of the Samsung SM3 though and it looks like a pretty promising car.
http://www.carsplusplus.com/ratings/...od=Samsung-SM3

I also found these photos of the exterior and interior
http://www.4wheelsnews.com/samsung-s...ficial-photos/

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Old 07-28-2009, 09:51 AM   #9
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This makes sense from a business perspective as Penske needs to source a small car quickly for Saturn. A Korean sourced vehicle probably affords the most profit potential. And, it's not a bad looking car. A potential winner here.

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Old 07-28-2009, 07:29 PM   #10
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Mark my words ........ it will fail just as I said the ASTRA would. Don't think I said the ASTRA would fail, go search my posts.

Now if the price starts at $9,999.00 I'll give it a "chance" to sell 70,000 units a year

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Old 07-28-2009, 07:56 PM   #11
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Mark my words ........ it will fail just as I said the ASTRA would. Don't think I said the ASTRA would fail, go search my posts.

Now if the price starts at $9,999.00 I'll give it a "chance" to sell 70,000 units a year
The only people who DIDN'T think the Astra would fail were Saturn and the people who bought Astras.
Any Renault/Nissan 4 cylinder will likely fit in the SM3 engine bay.
I'm not sure the 105HP would be a problem as long as the price was decent and quality/reliability was good.

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Old 07-28-2009, 07:58 PM   #12
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They needed one in 2008

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Old 07-28-2009, 08:09 PM   #13
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Mark my words ........ it will fail just as I said the ASTRA would. Don't think I said the ASTRA would fail, go search my posts.

Now if the price starts at $9,999.00 I'll give it a "chance" to sell 70,000 units a year
Samsung uses gas engines sourced from Nissan, and they already make the 1.8L and 2.0L for the SM5. Since their total sales a year are about 170 000 to 200 000, if Penske offers them the possibility to increase their sales by 35 to 60%, I don't think they'll protest much about having to modify the SM3 to accommodate those bigger engines. Note also that the SM3 is now a brand new car, as a new generation was released in 2009, based on the Renault Mégane. Renault plans to use it as a platform to make electric vehicles later on (Renault Fluence). With a bit of luck, they'll consider using Renault's small turbocharged gas engines (TCE).

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The only people who DIDN'T think the Astra would fail were Saturn and the people who bought Astras.
Actually, the Opel/Vauxhall/Holden Astra is one of the world's best selling cars. The Saturn Astra, OTOH, was released onto the North American market by a company who didn't give two ****s about the Saturn brand, right around the time the housing market began to tank. That's not to say that the whole world minus Saturn employees and current Astra owners knew it was going to fail. I've read pretty much every North American review on the car and I can't remember reading anywhere where they mentioned that they knew it was going to fail. The car wasn't the problem... the problem was how it was presented to the buying public.

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Also, the Astra failed partly because of lack of support from GM, partly because it's just available as an hatchback, and Americans hate hatchbacks for the most part and partly because the Astra's base price was too much for economy-minded customers. If they bring the SM3 for Saturn, Penske will support it because he doesn't want to have wasted his money, it will be a sedan that will fit American (bad) taste better and it will be much cheaper.

I wonder though if he chooses the SM3, will he import them from Korea or will he make a deal with Nissan to use the extra capacity they have at their North American plants (since Nissan and Samsung use similar technologies)?

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Old 07-28-2009, 08:19 PM   #16
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If they want to start selling it quickly they'll probably skip getting those engines certified with the EPA and stick an already certified Nissan engine in them.

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Actually, the Opel/Vauxhall/Holden Astra is one of the world's best selling cars. The Saturn Astra, OTOH, was released onto the North American market by a company who didn't give two ****s about the Saturn brand, right around the time the housing market began to tank. That's not to say that the whole world minus Saturn employees and current Astra owners knew it was going to fail. I've read pretty much every North American review on the car and I can't remember reading anywhere where they mentioned that they knew it was going to fail. The car wasn't the problem... the problem was how it was presented to the buying public.
Have to say I partly agree w/ you here. I NEVER saw advertising for the Astra here in the US and I'll add that the engine size/weight ratio and the fact that hatches CAN be a hard sell in the us definitely adds to the problem here.
One of the other shames here is that w/out the advertising dollars from GM for Saturn ppl don't hear about the car. they won't test drive the car. People don't test drive the car, they don't see how really nice it truly is. I have no complaints other than the slight lack of hp in this car - same as my Focus, but 1k lbs heavier.
Hate to beat a dead horse here, but the Ford Focus ZX3 and ZX5 did very well all over the globe, but also here in the US and has a cult like following now. The build quality did leave many with much to be desired. Having said that Ford did eventually get rid of the hatch as well because the sedan just sells over here. Problem being ppl who might buy a hatch go for an SUV instead.

I really hope they bring back the Astra and do it right...but we'll see...too much rumor and speculation now for my taste.

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But somehow I knew it was going to fail even before I saw it presented to the public.
1. Saturn= failure
2. no sedan= failure
3. sticker price for available units was too high= failure
The Astra failed before the economy "tanked"
Perhaps it would have done better as a Chevrolet

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Hate to beat a dead horse here, but the Ford Focus ZX3 and ZX5 did very well all over the globe, but also here in the US and has a cult like following now.
I think sedan vs hatch sales for the Focus was something like 5 to 1

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This is good. It fills the SL/Astra- sized hole in the product lineup. I wasn't expecting any sort of arrangement to keep the Astra, given that Magna's purchase of Opel included an agreement not to bring the Opel brand to N. America. The Astra was never really given a fair chance. A big boo-hiss on GM for that.

Please rethink any sterotypes of Korean cars- they have improved their game considerably over the last decade.

Lastly, since this is my first time here, my take on Roger Penske and Saturn- Best. Possible. Outcome. I am old enough to remember when Roger and Mark Donohue lit things up in SCCA Road Racing. You don't survive and thrive in motorsports for 4 decades without some (correction- a lot of) business smarts. Starduster Racing was always a fan of Penske Racing. Sometimes rooting for, sometimes against, but always a fan. Best Roger Penske comment? From Danny Sullivan- "When the music stops, The Captain ALWAYS has a chair."

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