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Old 06-07-2009, 11:24 PM   #1
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David Goldman and Peter Valdes-Dapena from CNNMoney.com: GM has said it will stop producing Saturn vehicles by 2011. GM would continue production of only the three highest-selling models: the Aura sedan, and the Vue and Outlook cross-over SUVs, for the next two years. The Saturn Sky and Astra models will be discontinued.

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Old 06-08-2009, 12:13 AM   #2
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Um...when did Saturn's roots ever consist of being GEO motors?

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Old 06-08-2009, 12:19 AM   #3
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Good, I'm glad the Astra is going. It was waay too small anyway.

Kinda sad to see the sky go, because it has the turbo.

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Old 06-08-2009, 06:11 AM   #4
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Good, I'm glad the Astra is going. It was waay too small anyway.

Kinda sad to see the sky go, because it has the turbo.
The Astra really isn't as small as you might think. The interior volume is 92.4 cu ft. The Aura interior volume is 98 cu ft.

Even trunk space isn't that different. Astra is at 12.2 cu ft and the Aura is at 16. The hatch is so much more flexible and easy to load though. I've carried amazing amounts of stuff in the Astra that would never fit in the Aura.

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Old 06-08-2009, 06:19 AM   #5
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I'm glad to see that Mr. Penske is still considering for Jill to stay on at the company. That's great news, now let's see where Jill stands with this.

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Old 06-08-2009, 08:42 AM   #6
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RE: Astra - I think this news of it being discontinued might just be the most advertising it's had - in name.

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Old 06-08-2009, 08:47 AM   #7
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Penske MUST find a small car to replace the Astra.
Saturn won't hit his goal of 200,000 units with just the Aura, Vue and Outlook.

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Old 06-08-2009, 09:18 AM   #8
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Good, I'm glad the Astra is going. It was waay too small anyway.

Kinda sad to see the sky go, because it has the turbo.
The Astra has the same size wheelbase/track as the Ion, and it's bigger than the S-series. How is that way too small? Should Saturn be mid-size only?

The Sky would be gone at the end of 2010, regardless of the sale, because GM was losing money on every Kappa sold and they weren't going to make a 2nd Gen version so it's no real loss.

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Old 06-08-2009, 12:11 PM   #9
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Cars being sourced from Korea? This wouldn't too much different than GM's business model which by next year will include both the Aveo and Cruze both designed by GM Daewoo.

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Old 06-08-2009, 12:31 PM   #10
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I think if Penske kept the Astra, but include the models and engine choses from Europe...it would kick some Japanese BUTT. The other day while at the shopping mall, I had two different people looking at my Astra and asking where I got it and how I liked it. They thought it was the sharpest car they had ever seen.

I mentioned about it being an Opel and that Saturn would most likely not be selling it anymore...BUT...wait a while and they might be able to buy it as an Opel, they seemed interested.

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Old 06-08-2009, 12:52 PM   #11
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Well the first Saturn S-Series had a base price of $7,995.00.

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Old 06-08-2009, 01:06 PM   #12
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You'd think Penske would have wanted to keep the SKY...

It will be interesting to see what type of car Penske will have Saturn convince us that will be our "new" roots...

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Old 06-08-2009, 02:19 PM   #13
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You'd think Penske would have wanted to keep the SKY...

It will be interesting to see what type of car Penske will have Saturn convince us that will be our "new" roots...
And lose $10,000 per unit? I think not. Penske is as much a business man as he is a gear head. Niche cars aren't a priority until they're doing the volume to support them.

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Old 06-08-2009, 02:27 PM   #14
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And lose $10,000 per unit? I think not. Penske is as much a business man as he is a gear head. Niche cars aren't a priority until they're doing the volume to support them.
The other thing is, and people keep missing this item, the factor is shut down. NO Kappa platform is going to be produced anymore, not just the Sky but the Opel and Pontiac versions as well.

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Old 06-08-2009, 02:33 PM   #15
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The other thing is, and people keep missing this item, the factor is shut down. NO Kappa platform is going to be produced anymore, not just the Sky but the Opel and Pontiac versions as well.
Just because the factory is closed doesn't mean the tooling is gone. It could easily be purchased and moved, but the car just isn't cost-effective.

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This is a good idea. I don't know where people got the idea Saturn was supposed to be midsize to large and like already mentioned the original Saturn had a base price below $10k. Let's not make Saturn out to be something its not and was never meant to be.

They need a compact and maybe sub-compact ASAP and if the sales of the Outlook continue to be dismal it should be discontinued after the 2 years.

If the deal with Renault-Samsung is a go, the SM3 should be released here no later than first quarter next year and the QM5 should replace the GM sourced Vue when a facelift is needed.

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Well, if Penske does the whole outsource Renault/Nissan/Samsung thing, let's hope that the engines have more power than what has been used prior in Nissans...

Just as an example:
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A DOHC engine only producing 87 HP!!!!

and varying to 118 HP ???

Not even anywhere NEAR the output that the original S-Series had (124 HP)

How does one only produce 87 HP out of a DOHC!!!


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Good, I'm glad the Astra is going. It was waay too small anyway.

Kinda sad to see the sky go, because it has the turbo.
You're glad to see the Astra go because it's too small yet you like the Sky because of the turbo? Yeah, that makes sense. That turbo must really expand the cabin and trunk of the Sky.

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Well, if Penske does the whole outsource Renault/Nissan/Samsung thing, let's hope that the engines have more power than what has been used prior in Nissans...

Just as an example:

A DOHC engine only producing 87 HP!!!!

and varying to 118 HP ???

Not even anywhere NEAR the output that the original S-Series had (124 HP)

How does one only produce 87 HP out of a DOHC!!!


Let's hope that Penske will do something that is higher end then this...
I'm a Nissan enthusiast and know for sure they would NEVER use something like that today in the US. Their B-segment competitor, the Versa, features a 1.8L with 122hp. More than most of its competition and moves just as quick as Saturn's Astra.

The Renault-Samsung SM3 shares platforms with the Sentra and would likely get the same 2.0L with 140hp and matching torque. Nissans are not known to be slow and this is no slug...

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Love the RSM Korean site... . Might need a bit of "Americanization" before they launch their cars here ("Wonder-full!!") however. Current line up looks like faces only a mother could love.

Will take a product cycle (or two) for them to get caught up, but the Koreans have made tremendous progress in their styling over the past 10 years.

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