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Old 08-24-2016, 08:27 AM   #1
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Has anyone tried running E85 in their regular fueled Saturn and what results have you had ? I've read that most everyone agrees that it's perfectly fine to do but the mileage will be poorer than using the correct grade for your vehicle. I was going to try it and see in my '01 L200 but probably won't due to that fact. I also read that the oil companies don't want you to know this due to not using the more expensive fuels. This may be just a myth as well. Thanks for your comments.

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Old 08-24-2016, 09:04 AM   #2
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NOpe, but makes no sense as it's more corrosive, worse mileage and welfare for corn farmers/corps/ job security for the bureaucrats that push it.

Even if you had an E85 vehicle with mods needed to run it- there are no cost savings.

THe fact that it costs less at the pump doesn't polish up this turd any better.

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Old 08-24-2016, 11:08 AM   #3
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^^ Very true. I run 84/85 octaine in my L and it works just fine. However E85 will desroy your milage, thus completely offsetting the lower cost per gallon.

There is no real win for E85 as billysvue states.

Heck when I had the SL, it ran best when you put the cheapest most worthless gas you could find in it. I was almost convinced it could run on water. But E85, not a chance

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Old 08-24-2016, 11:37 AM   #4
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Chaz9496, read your owner's manual for clarification. Service manuals also warm against using ethanol greater than 15% except for vehicles configured to run dual fuel systems and labeling for E85. If you insist on using it, you risk damage to your engine and fuel system not designed to handle higher ethanol content despite the few swearing by it. These few haven't reported long term usage when the corrosive effects of higher ethanol content in fuel occurs.

Ethanol, while having higher octane, has less btu's than gasoline so mileage will be lowered compared to regular gas.

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Old 08-24-2016, 07:08 PM   #5
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Unless your engine is certified E85 running it saves nothing for you. You will waste more to fix the damage ethanol causes then saving on fuel mileage. What will fix that will be proper tire inflation, alignment, good tires, replaced fuel pump and fuel filter and clean oil and oil filter and a K&N air filter all these little things you do will save more in gas mileage overall and long term compared to little return E85 can do for you. My Saturn L300 2003 with all these gives me 27mpg overall and 32mpg straight highway driving and this is for a v6 and no lead foot. Lead foot and your looking at sub 25mpg overall.

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Old 09-11-2016, 01:16 PM   #6
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One other factor not mentioned above regarding E85 is the fact that alcohol has a bigger solvent effect. Which means it will help to strip away vital lubrication from the upper cylinder wall as well as the intake valve stems. For internal combustion engines to truly take advantage of E85 (or even E100) would require that all rubber fuel system parts be replaced with neoprene or other non-corrosive plastic, use direct injection and most important of all, a higher compression ratio. Almost as high as a diesel. Today's current "flex fuel" vehicles are really meant to run on gasoline and are still optimized for it. But even Running full alcohol, even if the engine is optimized for it, will result in lower fuel economy due to less potential energy of the fuel. The real advantage of burning alcohol are environmental: no hydrocarbon emissions, means less smog junk needed on each car (which is a cost savings) and it is a fuel that is obtained through fermentation and distillation. Rather than drilling for crude and refining it. Also, if you are enterprising enough, you could make your own fuel for such a hypothetical car and avoid the fuel station altogether!

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The real advantage of burning alcohol are environmental: no hydrocarbon emissions, means less smog junk needed on each car ....Rather than drilling for crude and refining it.
Where do you think the energy comes from to make the ferts to grow it, drive the tractors and harvest the corn ethanol crop? THen ,factor in the emissions from said machinery,as well as the toxic runoff into the Gulf and other waters and it's a net loss for the environment.

This doesn't even touch on all the ferkakta farm subsidies( WELFARE) to produce it, higher feed costs ,excess amounts of pesticide and herbicide,to name a few more negatives.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...d-ethanol.aspx

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Old 09-12-2016, 09:38 PM   #8
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Billysvue: I read that article and others like it before. They are all very good criticisms and concerns regarding the usage of corn as a primary feedstock for ethanol production. I too see the lobbyist influence on using more corn, genetically modified corn and pesticides/chemical fertilizers to obtain the necessary yield to make ethanol production cost effective. And currently the best we can do is "E10" in most parts of the country. Still, I was merely pointing out the advantages to burning alcohol as a partial-to-complete replacement for gasoline.

I never said it was a 'panacea' or 'cure all' for our nation's problems. To truly solve that issue would require more than just converting existing internal combustion engines to run on gasohol mixes or even 100% alcohol alone obtained from the cheapest sources possible.

A counter-criticism I have: Corn may be the 'cheapest' source of sugar we have in this nation for ethanol production (Brazil does this too, but they have sugar cane a-plenty). But we also have massive amounts of 'waste' cellulose. Mulches, wood byproduct from the lumber industry, recyclable packaging, manure etc. There is plenty of 'Biomass' to be fermented! We haven't even considered switching ethanol feedstock crops from corn (which as noted in the article is a water, fertilizer and pesticide intense crop) to something like sugar beets? Switch grass can grow in harsh conditions and can help to return farmland back to sustainable pasture. It too can be a feedstock for ethanol. The problem comes with the costs associated with all these ideas. It skyrockets because it is far more costly to break down cellulose to simple sugars that yeast can ferment, rather than start with fermentable corn in the first place.

If we can find a way to sustainably produce alcohol for burning in engines and generators, we would have a very clean alternative to gasoline. However, it appears that progress is clearly a snails pace in this area. We already have very efficient solar panels and a car company like Tesla has shown us that an all-electric car is possible without inducing 'range anxiety'. By the time we figure out a way to sustainably produce alcohol, we'll all be driving electric cars that can easily travel 400miles between charges, infrastructure will exist to charge them up in 10 minutes, their paint will convert sunlight to electric charge helping to extend range and, and, and - they will drive themselves and fly.

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