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Old 03-09-2009, 01:49 PM   #1
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Default Saturn S-Series reliability -- better info -- please sign up

I wanted more up-to-date auto reliability information that included actual repair rates. So in late 2005 I started conducting reliability research at TrueDelta.com. TrueDelta reports absolute repair rates that make the differences between cars much clearer. Results are updated four times a year, so it's possible to track cars closely as they age.

Thanks to the help of Saturnfans and its members, for which I am very grateful, current Saturns have been among the best represented models. Even though we've done nothing to get the word out to S-Series owners, four model years are close to the minimum sample size. We'd like to provide reliability stats for all years 1995 and newer--just need at least 25 participants per model year.

Participants simply report repairs the month after they occur on a one-page survey. When there are no repairs, they simply report an approximate odometer reading four times a year, at the end of each quarter.

To encourage participation, participants receive full access to all results, not just those for Saturns, free of charge.

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Old 03-09-2009, 01:59 PM   #2
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So a 93 isn't good enough ay?

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Old 03-09-2009, 02:10 PM   #3
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Too bad you don't go back a little farther... My 92 SC while being exceptionally fun to drive, wasn't exceptionally reliable. I spent over $5000 in repairs beyond normal maintenance in the 200k miles I drove it.

It was definitely cheaper than making car notes the whole time, but not as reliable my past GM cars.

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Old 03-09-2009, 02:22 PM   #4
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Too bad you don't go back a little farther... My 92 SC while being exceptionally fun to drive, wasn't exceptionally reliable. I spent over $5000 in repairs beyond normal maintenance in the 200k miles I drove it.

It was definitely cheaper than making car notes the whole time, but not as reliable my past GM cars.
So that was a additional 40 cents per mile? Wow!

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Old 03-09-2009, 02:32 PM   #5
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So that was a additional 40 cents per mile? Wow!
Wouldnt that be 2.5 cents ?

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Old 03-09-2009, 02:32 PM   #6
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Too bad all the super reliable one's are 1st Gen... woot woot!

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Old 03-25-2009, 12:22 PM   #7
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So a 93 isn't good enough ay?
Sorry for the late response. The notifications are on, but spam filter must have snagged it.

Anyway, I might go a little further back in the future. Still waiting to see what the data is going to look like with the late 1990s cars. The farther you go back, the more the car's entire maintenance and repair history comes into play.

So what we might end up doing is using a slightly different survey for the old cars. Stay tuned.

FWIW, you can sign up with an older car. It just won't be included in the survey.

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Old 03-25-2009, 12:23 PM   #8
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So far, the 1997 will definitely be in the survey starting next month, and many other model years are now within half a dozen cars of the minimum.

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Old 03-25-2009, 01:40 PM   #9
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I just signed up. Waiting for my confirmation email. It will be nice to see all the information. I have no doubt that all Saturn models will have generally good reliability records.

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Old 04-22-2009, 10:24 AM   #10
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Thanks, Andy.

Four more model years are within a few vehicles of the minimum sample size. Hopefully we can include them next month.

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Old 04-22-2009, 10:58 AM   #11
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FWIW, you can sign up with an older car. It just won't be included in the survey.
Then what would be the point in signing up? It's all good. I'm not interested anyways. If you want to add my comment to your survey here it is:

They are only as reliable as the owner. If you take care of them, they will last forever.

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Old 05-24-2009, 11:05 AM   #12
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Not everyone is interested. I'm conducting this research for those that are.

So far 183 S-Series owners signed up. Three model years in the survey so far, and a few more are close.

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Old 06-26-2009, 01:04 PM   #13
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Nearly 200 S-Series owners now signed up. We'll include any year from 1995 on if enough people sign up. 1995-2001 are now all near the minimum.

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Old 07-27-2009, 10:00 AM   #14
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Over 200 now. Hope to have some results in November, but this will depend on how many owners sign up and participate.

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Old 08-26-2009, 09:45 AM   #15
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Four years in the survey, and four others are close.

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Old 09-29-2009, 11:41 AM   #16
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We'll have a preview of the November results for participants in mid-October. Hoping the S-Series will be in there, but it's going to be tight. A few more participants per model year could make a big difference.

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Old 11-01-2009, 12:38 PM   #17
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It looks like we'll have partial result for one model year next month, but a number of others should make it into the next set of results, in February.

A few additional participants per model year would make a big difference.

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Old 12-10-2009, 01:09 PM   #18
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We have our first reliability stat for the Saturn S-Series based on owner experiences through September 30, 2009. The reported repair frequency of 207 repair trips per 100 cars per year for the 1999 is worse than average, but not much worse. The sample size was small, though, so this result is not precise.

Everyone who has been helping--thanks, I certainly appreciate it. We'll have further updates in February and May. I'd really like to provide more precise results and cover all model years. Just a matter of more participants.

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Too bad you don't go back a little farther... My 92 SC while being exceptionally fun to drive, wasn't exceptionally reliable. I spent over $5000 in repairs beyond normal maintenance in the 200k miles I drove it.

It was definitely cheaper than making car notes the whole time, but not as reliable my past GM cars.
That just made me not want to get those two 92 SC2 saturns...lol

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So I signed up.

I honestly Reject this survey as an accurate representation of the Saturn S-series reliability.

Why? Because although you track the amount of repairs for the saturn (which is accurate to the best of my experience), it is the PRICE OF REPAIRS that makes the s-series far more superior. I would deem the term "Reliability" as the ability for a person to keep the car on the road. NOT as the ability of the car's parts not to fail.

As I see it, this survey is measuring the wrong item. It should be measuring the cost of repairs for a given quarter, not how many repairs occur. Also, the measurements should be divided into two categories - Those who bring their car to a shop and those who work on the car themselves. I think this will show the S-series is a better choice.

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Wheel bearing needed replacement - $450 ??? WHAT!?!?!
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