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Old 02-20-2009, 01:37 PM   #61
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Why not give them a chance to get this effort off the ground before bashing it?
I don't see any economically viable way to re-create what Saturn originally had at Spring Hill. There is almost no way, without massive investment from one of the "big players" to fund the design, engineering, and manufacture of an American car from the ground up. Call me a Pat Buchanan type protectionist, but unless they can do just that, rather than relying on Indian, Chinese, or other overseas manufacturers, I just can't get excited about keeping the brand name alive. Like I said, if a company like Tesla bought the Saturn dealer network, as someone suggested here, that'd be interesting!

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Old 02-20-2009, 05:10 PM   #62
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Part of the fault for that goes to GM though (or whoever). They started downgrading options. I paid extra for 4 wheel disc brakes on my S. If I recall correctly, when I went and looked at the Ions, they had taken that option away, unless I went for a redline, which I didn't want or need. So yeah, I kept my S! I didn't want to go backwards.

Same problem when they came out with the Vue, or I would have gotten one. I did however buy an '02 L200, because I wanted a bigger car. Nice that I was finally able to get 4 weel discs again. I've read a lot of bad about the car, but mine has been great.

Oh, BTW, even with the L200, I still kept my S!

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Yes, and why in the world don't all cars have four wheel disc brakes with ABS and ESP? The cost is the only negative. This should and will be standard on every car made in the near future.

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Old 02-20-2009, 05:57 PM   #63
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Yes, and why in the world don't all cars have four wheel disc brakes with ABS and ESP? The cost is the only negative. This should and will be standard on every car made in the near future.
It probably isn't even significantly cheaper. While a brake caliper is more expensive than a wheel cylinder, there are also a gaggle of other parts on drum brakes that aren't necessary for a disc system. I suspect we're talking low single digit dollars for a cost difference (if there is indeed any difference at all) and the sole purpose of keeping drums around is to create an artificial "option" of rear disc brakes to increase margins. It's crap like this that has contributed to getting GM to where they are now.

To be honest, I think there will be no buyer for Saturn. At best, the dealerships will scrape together some funds and limp along for a bit, but ultimately the brand is going to vanish. I predict GM will be in bankruptcy court by the end of March unless the government foolishly gives them more money on the basis of their most recent effort at a "plan."

Since us taxpayers are going to take it on the chin either way, I'd prefer they just get it over with and restructure now rather than bleed money from us with dire warnings as a consequence every other month until they're ultimately forced to do it anyway.

Hell, the Swedish government never saw a socialist plan they didn't like and even they refused to dump taxpayer money into Saab. It simply makes no financial sense.

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Old 02-21-2009, 06:47 AM   #64
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She didn't specifically say but I think they have a retreat planned for all high level staff at the Mexican Riviera. They will of course be flying in on private jets but once they are there rumor has it that most of their ground transportation will be by Chevrolet badged Astra's so they can really get a feel for how anything can be re-badged to anything else. ;>)
While they are down there they can break the news to the last of GM's NA workers that due to poor acceptance of managements glorious plan, you the worker and your exorbitant mexican wages will be let go, and all future GM products world wide will be built and designed at GM's China and Korean subsidiaries.

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Old 02-21-2009, 07:40 AM   #65
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"Yes, and why in the world don't all cars have four wheel disc brakes with ABS and ESP? The cost is the only negative. This should and will be standard on every car made in the near future."


Well, some buyers actually prefer an inexpensive car not all gaggled up with electronic gadgets.

Why do you think the Volkswagen 'Beetle' lasted so long?

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Old 02-21-2009, 08:44 AM   #66
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To be honest, I think there will be no buyer for Saturn. At best, the dealerships will scrape together some funds and limp along for a bit, but ultimately the brand is going to vanish. I predict GM will be in bankruptcy court by the end of March unless the government foolishly gives them more money on the basis of their most recent effort at a "plan."
The dealers should add or switch to other brands ASAP
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Old 02-21-2009, 08:48 AM   #67
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"Yes, and why in the world don't all cars have four wheel disc brakes with ABS and ESP? The cost is the only negative. This should and will be standard on every car made in the near future."


Well, some buyers actually prefer an inexpensive car not all gaggled up with electronic gadgets.

Why do you think the Volkswagen 'Beetle' lasted so long?
disc brakes, ABS and ESP probably costs less than a "deluxe" MP3 CD player
certainly less than a sunroof or "nicer" interior materials

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Old 02-21-2009, 08:50 AM   #68
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It probably isn't even significantly cheaper. While a brake caliper is more expensive than a wheel cylinder, there are also a gaggle of other parts on drum brakes that aren't necessary for a disc system. I suspect we're talking low single digit dollars for a cost difference (if there is indeed any difference at all) and the sole purpose of keeping drums around is to create an artificial "option" of rear disc brakes to increase margins. It's crap like this that has contributed to getting GM to where they are now.
They also keep the drum brakes to keep the supplier that makes the drum brake parts in business.

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Old 02-22-2009, 09:51 AM   #69
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Saturn spent years trying to sell to a segment that produces little in the way of profits (compact economy cars). From what i have read on this forum there is just to many of us who kept our beloved S-series for too long. We did not comeback and buy a new one every 3 years and then when they finally gave us something new in the Ion we scoffed at it an kept our S's.
Interesting point - but how come Honda can build the Civic for years and years and years and make money on it? Lots of people drive Civics up to insane amounts of miles but they still seem to be able to keep selling them at a record pace.

Another poster mentioned a great point though about the successive model years having less content and with buying a new one he felt like he was going backwards - again, look at the Civic. Each update builds upon what was in the previous so even if a buyer gets the same car a few years later they feel like they've upgraded even though they've stayed with the same model.

Saturn (GM actually, I suppose) spent a lot of $ designing cars that its core group of Saturn owners likely wouldn't be interested in. If there's a way to separate themselves from GM and go back to being a different kind of car company that builds cars that people want then this whole thing has a chance. In this economic environment, imagine an American car company that produced cars that people could actually afford? What a concept! The Saturn nameplate might have enough brand recognition left in THAT segment to succeed if they can figure out how to bankroll the project and build the logical successor to the S-Series that they should have been designing 10+ years ago.

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Old 03-09-2009, 04:14 AM   #70
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I'm enjoying the dent resistant feature. A couple months ago a nissan maxima rear ended me at slow speeds. The nissan was all dented and scratched - definately needed body work. I just got a wet rag and wiped off the paint from the other car, no dent, good as new!

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Old 03-09-2009, 02:27 PM   #71
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Got my "Jill Letter" in the mail Friday. Two days after the nearest Saturn store to me closed without warning... I'll now have to drive over 100 each way miles to get to one in Dallas. (That won't happen) and the closest Chevy dealer (for warranty service on the Vue if need be) is said to be on his last legs too...and will of course have to make that 100 mile drive for parts if need be.

My wife's birds are reading that letter as I type....

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Old 03-09-2009, 05:47 PM   #72
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Would really like to have Ms. Jill Lajdziak contact me. I have been a loyal customer of Saturn for 14 years now, purchasing four new vehicles from Saturn of Watertown. I am now a very unhappy, dissatisfied customer who is baffled as to why Saturn seems to think it is okay for me to drive 70 miles to have warranty repair work done on my 2007 Aura. I have contacted customer service, they keep telling me that that they have no control whether a Saturn retailer chooses to close (Saturn of Watertown), pretty much not their problem (NO not their problem, it is mine). I have been repeatedly told that an authorized GM dealership CANNOT perform crossover warranty work on my Saturn. Saturn's customer service's answer to my complaint is the epitomphy of Rotten Customer Service.....In order to have warranty repair work done on my vehicle, I would have to drive 70 miles one way, then wait to have the work done. If they do not have parts, make another appointment, drive 70 miles back home. Then drive 70 miles for the next appointment once the parts come in, again wait probably 2-3 hours, then drive 70 miles back home. I asked the customer service representative if she felt that was good customer service, she again repeated....we are very sorry, but we have no control, blah blah blah.

As you can tell from the tone of this message, I am very upset with the answers I have been given. I ask you Jill, would you find it acceptable to drive 150 miles round trip to have warranty work done on your vehicle?

Maybe this isn't the right forum, but nobody else wants to help. They tell me I cannot talk to their Manager or Supervisor.....HELP!!!

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