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Old 02-02-2009, 12:43 AM   #1
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It's been a wild ride the past 18 years. Many of us had Saturn ownership experiences second to none. We went to Homecomings, cajun "cochon de laits" (pig roasts), and made a multitude of friends.

I hope GM finds a way to keep the Saturn dealers and employees working. Even if they have to continue to sell re-badged GM cars.

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Old 02-02-2009, 06:15 PM   #3
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I think through the history of saturn, in my family, there has been an occsional interest. Being a GM Family, we always looked at all cars across the line up for deals and what was worth the money.
I think until the new VUE, OUtlook, Aura, and now the Astra... Saturn was pretty bland... So much so that even GM cut any real money to marketing.
The Aura.. N.A. Car of the year 2007, and Holden rebadge. Vue-Opel rebadge, Astra - Opel rebadge. Outlook.. Excellent crossover on the Delta.
a 4 car line up across 1200(I think) dealerships. EXCELLENT cars... In fact.. With my family, we now own the entire line up.
My grandfather owns an 07 Aura, Father owns an 08 Outlook, Wife has an 08 Vue, and I just picked up an 08 Astra as a daily commuter.( I also have an 08 Silverado).
The Astra, alone, could/should be a Focus fighter. Insurance rating is better on the Astra, Astra is standard with pretty much everything including 6 airbags. Has a 2 door and 4 hatchback... great on gas. Well built car.. handles GREAT! Problem is.. NO ONE has heard of the Astra! Go sit in a Focus and then an Astra. . just SIT in each... You don't even have to drive them to feel the huge difference. You CAN NOT TOUCH a car for under 20K with all that is standard on this car.. nor touch the quality.
The VUE - Only downfall.. The new chinese 6 Cylinder mated up to the 6 Speed Auto, is less than good on gas. For a compact SUV, teens for gas mileage on a brand new engine and 6 speed auto trans is not acceptable. Power is great though. Handles very well. Leather interior isn't worth it so much.
We have been clamoring for German cars.. finally GM gets them.. and does ZERO marketing.
Aura - Was so good.. They made the Malibu on the same platform and took N.A. Car of the year in 2008. Phenominal car.. Great on gas.. Great driving/riding car, great quaility and styling.

Outlook - It is what it is.. A behemoth crossover - same as Acadia, Enclave, and Traverse. 3 rows of seats... With the excpetion of the Traverse(which has Direct Injection) they utilize the same Chinese 6 Cyl powerplant and 6 speed trans... which provides HORRID mileage. Beautiful car though.. Quaility is great! Styling is clean and value for the money is pretty spot on.

GM - Wake up and put the word out.. For gosh sakes.. AMRKET what you have done to Saturn.. aside from the 1-2 commercials where the guy walks into a dealer and walks back out to check the sign. Market the GERMAN ENGINEERING... The Opel Astra is a blast and is FUN to drive and FUN to own for this segment. I just got rid of a Focus as proof.

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Old 02-02-2009, 06:36 PM   #4
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AFAIK, the only Chinese made V6 used by GM was/is the current 3.4L pushrod V6 used only in the Equinox/Torrent. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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You mean all these geniuses, with their MBA's and financial expertise and fancy stochastic processes still can't figure out what to do? Why are they getting paid the big bucks again?

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Outlook - It is what it is.. A behemoth crossover - same as Acadia, Enclave, and Traverse. 3 rows of seats... With the excpetion of the Traverse(which has Direct Injection) they utilize the same Chinese 6 Cyl powerplant and 6 speed trans... which provides HORRID mileage. Beautiful car though.. Quaility is great! Styling is clean and value for the money is pretty spot on.
If you are going to come here and bash Saturn at least get your facts straight. The 3.6L DOHC V6 in the Outlook is not made in China. GM manufactures that engine in three locations...St. Catharines, Ontario...Flint, MI...and Melbourne, Australia. The Chinese manufactured piece of junk engine is the 3400 V6 used in the Equinox and Torrent.

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I think through the history of saturn, in my family, there has been an occsional interest. Being a GM Family, we always looked at all cars across the line up for deals and what was worth the money.
I think until the new VUE, OUtlook, Aura, and now the Astra... Saturn was pretty bland... So much so that even GM cut any real money to marketing.
The Aura.. N.A. Car of the year 2007, and Holden rebadge. Vue-Opel rebadge, Astra - Opel rebadge. Outlook.. Excellent crossover on the Delta.
a 4 car line up across 1200(I think) dealerships. EXCELLENT cars... In fact.. With my family, we now own the entire line up.
My grandfather owns an 07 Aura, Father owns an 08 Outlook, Wife has an 08 Vue, and I just picked up an 08 Astra as a daily commuter.( I also have an 08 Silverado).
The Astra, alone, could/should be a Focus fighter. Insurance rating is better on the Astra, Astra is standard with pretty much everything including 6 airbags. Has a 2 door and 4 hatchback... great on gas. Well built car.. handles GREAT! Problem is.. NO ONE has heard of the Astra! Go sit in a Focus and then an Astra. . just SIT in each... You don't even have to drive them to feel the huge difference. You CAN NOT TOUCH a car for under 20K with all that is standard on this car.. nor touch the quality.
The VUE - Only downfall.. The new chinese 6 Cylinder mated up to the 6 Speed Auto, is less than good on gas. For a compact SUV, teens for gas mileage on a brand new engine and 6 speed auto trans is not acceptable. Power is great though. Handles very well. Leather interior isn't worth it so much.
We have been clamoring for German cars.. finally GM gets them.. and does ZERO marketing.
Aura - Was so good.. They made the Malibu on the same platform and took N.A. Car of the year in 2008. Phenominal car.. Great on gas.. Great driving/riding car, great quaility and styling.

Outlook - It is what it is.. A behemoth crossover - same as Acadia, Enclave, and Traverse. 3 rows of seats... With the excpetion of the Traverse(which has Direct Injection) they utilize the same Chinese 6 Cyl powerplant and 6 speed trans... which provides HORRID mileage. Beautiful car though.. Quaility is great! Styling is clean and value for the money is pretty spot on.

GM - Wake up and put the word out.. For gosh sakes.. AMRKET what you have done to Saturn.. aside from the 1-2 commercials where the guy walks into a dealer and walks back out to check the sign. Market the GERMAN ENGINEERING... The Opel Astra is a blast and is FUN to drive and FUN to own for this segment. I just got rid of a Focus as proof.
WOW! - lemme get my hip waiters on for this one and maybe a clothespin for my nose, LOL! Please get your facts straight before you post, friend. I do totally agree with what you wrote about Saturn and the Astra, good points! However...

The 3.5 and 3.6 Litre V6 is NOT made in China, how absurd! The V6 Saturn uses is a GM variant of the Caddilac CTS engine, a GM USA engine!

source: gmpowertrain.com

Saturn NEVER had a Holden model, you are confusing it with Pontiac, who only has ONE Holden model, G8. The Aura is a derivative of the Opel Vectra, which replaced the old Vectra and L-Series. (source: wikipedia)

The VUE is NOT a rebadge. It was actually designed by Daewoo design teams for BOTH Opel and Saturn simultaneously. (the Opel Antara and Prevue Concepts were designed side by side) The VUE also has the V6 CTS derivative.

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WOW! - lemme get my hip waiters on for this one and maybe a clothespin for my nose, LOL! Please get your facts straight before you post, friend. I do totally agree with what you wrote about Saturn and the Astra, good points! However...

The 3.5 and 3.6 Litre V6 is NOT made in China, how absurd! The V6 Saturn uses is a GM variant of the Caddilac CTS engine, a GM USA engine!

source: gmpowertrain.com

Saturn NEVER had a Holden model, you are confusing it with Pontiac, who only has ONE Holden model, G8. The Aura is a derivative of the Opel Vectra, which replaced the old Vectra and L-Series. (source: wikipedia)

The VUE is NOT a rebadge. It was actually designed by Daewoo design teams for BOTH Opel and Saturn simultaneously. (the Opel Antara and Prevue Concepts were designed side by side) The VUE also has the V6 CTS derivative.

OK...
I have been corrected.. My apologies to all.. I don't live and breathe Saturn.. So, I am sincerely sorry for my errors on the origin of the power plant.

I would have sworn the Aura was a holden derivative. Again.. My mistake.. But point still valid as it has been clarified.. it is an Opel joint deal.

My point is still valid that the efficiency of that 3.6L V6, although quite potent is a bit less than stellar.

By the way.. Since we are on facts.. Pontiac has had another Holden car.. The GTO from a few years back.

I wasn't posting to knock Saturn at all.. Obviously.. We own several..
my apologies for the facts I should have verified, but the origins were my point.. The efficiency was.

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If you are going to come here and bash Saturn at least get your facts straight. The 3.6L DOHC V6 in the Outlook is not made in China. GM manufactures that engine in three locations...St. Catharines, Ontario...Flint, MI...and Melbourne, Australia. The Chinese manufactured piece of junk engine is the 3400 V6 used in the Equinox and Torrent.
I don't think I was bashing anything other than a couple comments on Fuel efficiency.. High teens for the Vue (V6) and maybe mid teens on the Outlook?
My full size Chevy Silverado V6 does about that.

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You mean all these geniuses, with their MBA's and financial expertise and fancy stochastic processes still can't figure out what to do? Why are they getting paid the big bucks again?
My impression is that aside from the original Saturn people, the rest of GM NEVER knew what to make of Saturn or what to do about it, with it, or even market it. If the public has no clue (in general) what Saturn is, it is GM's fault. They get the big bucks because they can-- but not much else.

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OK...
I have been corrected.. My apologies to all.. I don't live and breathe Saturn.. So, I am sincerely sorry for my errors on the origin of the power plant.

I would have sworn the Aura was a holden derivative. Again.. My mistake.. But point still valid as it has been clarified.. it is an Opel joint deal.

My point is still valid that the efficiency of that 3.6L V6, although quite potent is a bit less than stellar.

By the way.. Since we are on facts.. Pontiac has had another Holden car.. The GTO from a few years back.

I wasn't posting to knock Saturn at all.. Obviously.. We own several..
my apologies for the facts I should have verified, but the origins were my point.. The efficiency was.
Jayski, I just wanted to set the facts straight, wasn't coming down on you. Anyways, as many Saturns in your family, you could say that you do live Saturn! :-) Thanks to you and your family.

btw - Some great resources for Saturn info is Wikipedia (verified) and gmpowertrain.com.

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I don't think I was bashing anything other than a couple comments on Fuel efficiency.. High teens for the Vue (V6) and maybe mid teens on the Outlook?
My full size Chevy Silverado V6 does about that.

Than again, the Silverado is a truck (two different chassis, frames and occupancy values - hence weight), lets look at the weight vs hp ratio as well. 24-25mpg is the realized mpg of the Outlook and VUE btw. Maybe the teens in the city bumper to bumper, but if you are only getting in the teens in a VUE or Outlook sorry, there is something terribly wrong somewhere.

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Than again, the Silverado is a truck (two different chassis, frames and occupancy values - hence weight), lets look at the weight vs hp ratio as well. 24-25mpg is the realized mpg of the Outlook and VUE btw. Maybe the teens in the city bumper to bumper, but if you are only getting in the teens in a VUE or Outlook sorry, there is something terribly wrong somewhere.
Vue - on HWY.. low 20s. Sure. On an average commute of mixed driving - Maybe 16-19.
Outlook - Hwy.. I don;t think I have ever seen it hit 20, and from reading in the Enclave forums, etc.. It is a general complaint. City driving - Not Bumper to Bumper - Averages about 14-16.

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marx404-What are hip waiters?


I looked at the new VUE V-6 and the RAV4 V-6 and I bought the Toyota. I liked the interior of the VUE better than the RAV4, but the fuel economy is too low for me. I can get 30 miles per gallon on the highway doing 65 M.P.H. with the A/C on and using 87 octane fuel. Although, the RAV4 feels light and seems to be a dent magnet, but you can't beat Toyota service.

I also don't like that the new VUE is a Korean designed product made in Mexico.

What happened to an all American made product with polymer to fight the imports? What a great concept!

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Saturn owned by a dealership group - now that would be an interesting development! Wonder how much better the Saturn experience would be if the dealers themselves had skin in the game?

I wonder if this had ever been done in the past? Could dealers raise enough capital to make a go of it? - pretty doubtful.

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Saturn owned by a dealership group - now that would be an interesting development! Wonder how much better the Saturn experience would be if the dealers themselves had skin in the game?

I wonder if this had ever been done in the past? Could dealers raise enough capital to make a go of it? - pretty doubtful.
The Saturn experience could easily get worse. Money, money, money will be the primary motivating force. I don't see why they would need a lot of money because GM already sold and liquidated everything Saturn owned years ago.

What would they sell? GM cars like Suzuki does? Opels? I don't think so...

I just don't see many options. We'll find out Saturn's fate soon when GM reveals their reorganization plans in a few weeks.

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Vue - on HWY.. low 20s. Sure. On an average commute of mixed driving - Maybe 16-19.
Outlook - Hwy.. I don;t think I have ever seen it hit 20, and from reading in the Enclave forums, etc.. It is a general complaint. City driving - Not Bumper to Bumper - Averages about 14-16.
I can't say about the Vue mileage, but the Outlook mileage you are talking about is pretty close to minivan gas mileage (and basically the Outlook is just a glorified minivan without the stigma). My '02 Grand Caravan with less weight to haul around and less power to haul it with gets around 16 in city driving and gets around 20 on the highway. I have gotten as high as 25 with it on longer road trips, but you can see that in the Outlook forum here. So, I don't think that the Outlooks gas mileage is that out of line.

BTW...sorry if I came across a bit hash, just like many others I am getting tired of all the new haters here and I overreacted a bit.

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I can't say about the Vue mileage, but the Outlook mileage you are talking about is pretty close to minivan gas mileage (and basically the Outlook is just a glorified minivan without the stigma). My '02 Grand Caravan with less weight to haul around and less power to haul it with gets around 16 in city driving and gets around 20 on the highway. I have gotten as high as 25 with it on longer road trips, but you can see that in the Outlook forum here. So, I don't think that the Outlooks gas mileage is that out of line.

BTW...sorry if I came across a bit hash, just like many others I am getting tired of all the new haters here and I overreacted a bit.
I agree with your minivan comparison.. But with todays technology.. New 6 Cyl engine with 6 speed auto.. I think it wouldn't be much to expect something better.. in fact.. I bet a lot of money that given better gas mileage (Traverse) it'll sell better. It's an awesome car.. My wife wanted one terribly when we were turning in the Envoy XL. She wanted 3 rows and a DVD player. Cost was just to high.

BTW.. No harm no foul.. Def not a hater.. Was just giving my input...
And it really boils to marketing.. which seems to be becoming an admitted issue from GM.

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