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Old 02-01-2009, 10:23 PM   #1
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After being a loyal Saturn owner for almost 4 years, I am now saying goodbye.

My '98 SL2 was awesome to me, and remains in service to my Aunt today.

On the other hand, my 2002 Vue was a total disappointment.

I'm sure the issues with my Vue were mostly specific to my vehicle, and not the line. However, I'm also fed up with my local dealership. To any Vue owners having great success, congratulations! My Vue was not so great. In the past 10,000 miles, I have encountered the following:

1) Reduced Power/SES lights coming on (has happened every three months since I bought the vehicle, no solution to date). Codes point to APP sensor.

2) Horn switch failed. Part estimated at $817.

3) Air bag light came on.... Probably related to #2.

4) Brakes grinding and squealing. Rotors were replaced 30K miles ago... new ones are already warped.

5) Suspension is making noises that scare me bad. Already had Strut mounts replaced once.

6) Transmission growls if I accelerate with the engine below 2K RPM.

Overall, I have really been happy with the Vue, despite its problems. However, I decided I would go a different direction... I converted. You see, GM started offering the Vue with the Honda engine... so I figured that if Honda engines were better than GM engines... the rest of the vehicle must follow suit... so I bought a Honda...

Honda Element, to be exact. I know, it's a f-ing lunchbox on wheels.... It's ugly. Hideous even. However, it's like a pug... so ugly that it's cute.

Thank you all for the wealth of information you have provided. I reference this forum frequently. I will still check in every now and then. Because I refuse to let anyone else work on my Aunt's SL2, I feel like I'm still part of the Saturn cult.

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Old 02-02-2009, 11:24 AM   #2
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The Element SC isn't totally *****. But they have about the most useful space I've ever seen in a tiny crossover thing. The rear seats lift way up to the roof and stuff, plus suicide doors are cool, if inconvenient.

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Old 02-02-2009, 06:25 PM   #3
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i looked at the element as well but the price and the worse gas mpg and the less space part is what made me end up getting something different. Did you trade in the vue?

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Old 02-02-2009, 11:04 PM   #4
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Yeah, I traded it in. Luckily the lights stayed off while they appraised it, so I squeezed 'em for $3100. KBB was $3300.

I picked up the element for $12,500 out the door, assuming they don't try to hose me on the finance.

For what it's worth, I think the Element actually has MORE space than the Vue, due to the seat design. It sure feels roomier.

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Old 02-06-2009, 08:23 PM   #5
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wow thats really low O.O how many miles did you end up racking up?

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Old 02-07-2009, 03:24 PM   #6
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i know a few people that woulda wanted it for $3100 even with its problems :P

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Old 02-08-2009, 02:25 AM   #7
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It had 106,500 on the clock.

I couldn't have sold it to someone with a clear conscience. Most of the problems were probably a one time shot, but the Reduced Power/SES problem was recurring with no apparent solution. Only thing that wasn't done to rectify that was redo all the grounds.

Steps to resolve SES/RP lights:

1) Replace APP Sensor 3x
2) Replace connector 2x
3) Run new wiring to PCM
4) Bypass main harness, run new wiring.
5) Replace PCM
6) Replace main harness

Besides, the seats had some staining, the carpet was wrecked... the paint was in great shape, as were the tires and front pads. Rotors were warping after 20K, though. I replaced them before a long trip in August.

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