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Old 01-03-2009, 07:48 PM   #1
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Default 1999 Saturn SL OBDII CODES

Got two codes on girlfrineds car. P1404 (EGR) and P0341. P0341 got me really confused as it says "Camshaft Position Sensor "A" Circuit Range/Perfomance". As we all know there is no Camshaft Position Sensor on these cars. I read somewhere that it references itself to the pulse count on #4 cylinder. Somebody else must have had this code before and if you can tell me in lamen terms what the problem is, I'll nominate you for an award! I'm suspecting that there is possibly a misfire, and I'm going to change spark plug wires (just installed plugs a couple weeks ago). Mechanic said they were looking old. Any help will be greatly appreciated! Thanks

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Old 01-03-2009, 08:01 PM   #2
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You're on the right track, it is a misfire code essentially...replacing the wires is a good start. While you;re removing them from the coil packs, make sure the towers are nice and shiny clean. If they aren't, grab a scotchbrite pad and clean them up. Dielectric grease when clean. Also check your plugs. If you or someone else put platinum plugs in it, get them outta there. NGK Copper are the preferred plug for the S Series engine, no exotic metals are necessary, nor will they help. Search the forums for P0341, this code comes up a lot.

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Old 01-04-2009, 06:43 AM   #3
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Ok, I went out last night and tapped on the side of what looks like the EGR valve. On most other vehicles (and in the haynes manual) they are usually diaphram (pancake like) in shape. On this car it's more like a cylinderical shape (like a skinny can of beer..yum). The car started idling fine again, and this morning the code went away on itself. So, can the EGR valve be taken off the car and lubricate it or clean it some way? This has happened to her before earlier in the fall, and then it just went away on its own. As for the other code problem, I'm going to change the plug wires and see what happens. If they did in fact put fancy schmancy platinum or iridium plugs in it, is it safe to leave them in there for a few thousand kilometers or (and I suspect you'll go with this one) change them for the NGK copper? When you get a set of wires, they don't give you alot of dielectric grease do they? Thanks for your help!

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Old 01-04-2009, 09:59 AM   #4
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Ok, I changed plugs...never seen anything like that before where they have those slip on covers that bolt to the engine...kinda good idea...just pain in the *****, and I hope that solves that problem. I cleaned out the throttle body (but I didnt' unbolt and dismantle) left it on the car and also took out the EGR valve. It's an electric solenoid (no vacuum), but I cleaned that out as best as I could, but I noticed that the spring inside seems weak. Is that common for them or is that a sign it's getting weak and will need replacement? Thanks.

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Old 01-04-2009, 10:45 AM   #5
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The spring inside the EGR is not very stiff. Sounds like yours is normal. As long as you cleaned it and it moves easily it should be fine. A common thing to do when you have the EGR off is start the vehicle. This blows all the stuff out of the where the EGR is mounted. The car will be very loud and the revs will be at about 4K. Gets it cleaned out though.

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Old 01-05-2009, 05:54 AM   #6
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Well got it working ALOT better now, but I may take it off again and blow it out like you said...that is a good point! Thanks

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The EGR valve on post 1995 model year Saturns switched from being a vacuum powered "pancake" style, to a Cylinder style that is operated by servo motors mounted inside the housing.

You can also use Seafoam Deep Creep to spray into the EGR ports on the engine to help clean out the carbon buildup that may be present in the engine.

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