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Old 12-14-2008, 03:09 AM   #1
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Old 12-14-2008, 03:23 AM   #2
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i doubt its the replacement

china gets alot of buicks that america does not

plus the aura is only 3 years old little quick to replace it

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Old 12-14-2008, 08:35 AM   #3
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This is actually the 2010 Buick LaCrosse

http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-lacrosse-invicta.html

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Old 12-14-2008, 09:11 AM   #4
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This is actually the 2010 Buick LaCrosse

http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-lacrosse-invicta.html
Either name its the same car. It's on the new Epsilon II platform and Buick is getting one before Saturn. Assuming that Saturn ever gets one.
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Old 12-14-2008, 10:11 AM   #5
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That is a very nice looking car!!

Here's hoping that there IS a next generation Aura....................................

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Old 12-14-2008, 12:15 PM   #6
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It makes some sense to do this. As a Buick they can load it up and sell it for a few more thousand dollars than the average Saturn customer is used to paying.

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Old 12-14-2008, 12:25 PM   #7
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The Regal first shown here is an THE new Opel Insignia, just badge engineered via emblems, a grille, etc. to be the new Regal for the Chinese market. This car is one and the same with the Insignia that WAS supposed to come here directly to be the new Saturn Aura, after a short model run with the US Aura we have currently. Then, that plan was changed to push that early intro off and change the Insignia more than just via a Saturn badge and other small touches, and in a few more years have that design as the Aura. Then that too died off.

The other car brought up by someone below is the new Buick Lacrosse for the US market that is NOT the Insignia/Regal, but rather a larger car still also using the new Epsilon II platform. It will be rolling out next year with a new 3.0L V6 and the 3.6L, and will be the first EP-II car for the US market.

That also all said, given the current state of Saturn, almost all talk of anything about replacing the current Aura has died, and the Regal they made from the Opel Insignia for the Chinese market is now talked about as also being added to the US market along with the larger Lacrosse--it's a bit smaller and, at least in Chinese form which could work, powered by 4-cyls. Hence, this would be the intro of the new Insignia design to the US by Buick and not Saturn.

That's at least the latest news. The Regal is the Insignia originally slated to replace the current Aura, and with Saturn in limbo, may still come over but under another brand.

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Old 12-14-2008, 12:48 PM   #8
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Nice looking car. Now all GM has to do is market it PROPERLY so that traditional import buyers will at least consider it before signing on the dotted line for their next Camry or Accord.

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Nice looking car. Now all GM has to do is market it PROPERLY so that traditional import buyers will at least consider it before signing on the dotted line for their next Camry or Accord.
Yes, and as was an intent of the original Opel Insignia base, it is intended to be a bit more upmarket than the typical mid-size family sedan in every way, from drive quality to trimmings. This is especially why, as of very late, the idea is for it to become a Buick instead. Not that every GM vehicle shouldn't be of similar caliber, but just that this car in finishing and cost would be most fitting with such a brand.

We'll see. The Insignia's US assignment has continued to change and probably will again before long.

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Old 12-14-2008, 04:03 PM   #10
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This is a great idea really. Saturn has proven it is incapable of selling a car slightly upscale, which the Insignia is. Buick has proven that's what it does best. Buick customers are a pretty varied bunch, but all want a decent car. Some will opt for a slightly larger Lacrosse, some will opt for a loaded out Regal with a 4 banger. The Lacrosse NEEDS to have at least an optional AWD, and if they could put it into a Regal Super that'd be great too.

Truth be told, the 300hp turbo AWD Insignia strikes me as a the most perfect Regal Super possible. Upscale in terms of power and drivetrain with an interior to match, a perfect touring car.

Here's to hoping these do well and Buick gets a Park Avenue based off the Holden Statesman.

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Old 12-14-2008, 05:41 PM   #11
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This is a great idea really. Saturn has proven it is incapable of selling a car slightly upscale, which the Insignia is. Buick has proven that's what it does best. Buick customers are a pretty varied bunch, but all want a decent car. Some will opt for a slightly larger Lacrosse, some will opt for a loaded out Regal with a 4 banger. The Lacrosse NEEDS to have at least an optional AWD, and if they could put it into a Regal Super that'd be great too.

Truth be told, the 300hp turbo AWD Insignia strikes me as a the most perfect Regal Super possible. Upscale in terms of power and drivetrain with an interior to match, a perfect touring car.

Here's to hoping these do well and Buick gets a Park Avenue based off the Holden Statesman.
I agree with you, regretfully. This car WILL do well for Buick, and will fit in the lineup fantastically. Especially next to the Enclave.

Hopefully we do get the Park Avenue as a Lucerne replacement, and Buick will have a very nice lineup, and appeal to a younger crowd.

We'll see what happens, too bad this couldn't have worked for Saturn.

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Old 12-14-2008, 08:57 PM   #12
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This is a great idea really. Saturn has proven it is incapable of selling a car slightly upscale, which the Insignia is. Buick has proven that's what it does best. Buick customers are a pretty varied bunch, but all want a decent car. Some will opt for a slightly larger Lacrosse, some will opt for a loaded out Regal with a 4 banger. The Lacrosse NEEDS to have at least an optional AWD, and if they could put it into a Regal Super that'd be great too.

Truth be told, the 300hp turbo AWD Insignia strikes me as a the most perfect Regal Super possible. Upscale in terms of power and drivetrain with an interior to match, a perfect touring car.

Here's to hoping these do well and Buick gets a Park Avenue based off the Holden Statesman.
The RWD flagship idea is off because there's no way they can meet the upcoming CAFE mileage standards with anything that strays from the highest numbers possible, even a bit, and that's been talked about.

BUT, as far as the Lacrosse and Regal, the Regal is up in the air but the Lacrosse is almost a done deal. Being the first in the US to ride on the new Epsilon II platform, AWD will be offered and it will have the choice of 2 engines at the moment, a new DI 3.0L V6 or a DI 3.6L. AWD is a new feature that the EP-II platform makes possible.

If the Regal/Insignia does come, as well, I seriously think keeping it with 4-cyls as it is equipped for the Chinese market would be the right move, at least for volume and the highest mpg ratings you can get, but probably also offer something like the new 3.0L for those who have to have a V6. Again, speculation right now, but it really is looking like Buick...we shall see.

As for Saturn, the current lineup, and anything for the future, it's all in review. I just listened to a radio interview with Mark LaNeve in charge of GM's marketing, and as he reminded, they have a great lineup (you guys here know that, with Aura's and the like) but they've never been able to overcome the image of small, cheap cars alone. The problem with that was, there's very little money to be made with small & cheap, and on the flip side, with products like they have now, there's little to be made when you have to keep stacking cash on the hood to get people even remotely serious about one. Hence, Saturn is under strategic review, and serving up quite a bit of confusion for all involved--the current lineup is fresh, but even in decent times was not doing well sales-wise, and they're far enough away from the small, cheap, plastic toy cars that there's no way to do an overnight revert back to that, if it even helped. So it's a conundrum, moreso than probably a few of the other questioned brands, for sure.

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Old 12-14-2008, 09:19 PM   #13
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makes me happy to see buick have a contender for the market again

the new cafe standards are absurd really

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Old 12-14-2008, 09:31 PM   #14
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I only hope we will see the wagon variant of the Insignia in NA. It's a real sleeper in my opinion.

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It bums me out to see Buick getting a really sharp new car that many speculated to be headed for Saturn. I know, GM has said from the get-go that if Saturn got a version of this car, it'd have completely different exterior, and probably interior, but with the way the auto rags have gone on about how great this new Opel is, I was hoping they'd change their mind and give Saturn a version very similar. Guess not. At this point, it's pretty obvious that the retards in chief at GM are dead seat on keeping the pointless brands of BPG alive at the cost of Saturn, and possibly all of GM. In this case, the full-monty-luxo version is probably a better fit at Buick than at Saturn, but that's a branding issue, IMHO. I see a lot of similarities between the current Saturn lineup and VW. I think if Saturn tries to sell anything nicer than the Passat, it'll never work. GM will either bleed to death with it's brand-for-every-taste or it'll slim down and get it's divisions in order to compete. I don't really see the value in adding to Buick, but it's been picked as a winner, so yay Buick, enjoy the new models. I hope they sell well and make a profit to keep the mother ship alive long enough for me to get a G8 GXP or Camaro SS in a couple years.

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Buick? Redesigning? If it's true what is GM thinking? They invested billion in Saturn's image as different and Billions on Tiger Woods and Buick's golfer image and now they will dump one and invest billions in the other?

I think trying to make Buick hip will backfire, just like it did with Oldsmobile. They alienated their market and failed to get new customers. Don't they learn?

Why spend money making fresh designs when the Opel ones are great for Saturn?

If GM wants to keep Buick they need to make it a plusher Chevy.

Like I said in another thread, they should kill off Pontiac, move the G8 to Chevy as the Impala (possibly a plusher version as Buick's flagship), the Vibe to Saturn and the Solstice to Chevy and rename it the Pontiac and sell it without Chevrolet badges.

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Opel was, is and will be always a mainstram brand. The Insignia goes "upscale" because all other european brands do the same.

For example the "cheap" Skoda Octavia...


Renault Laguna...


The sporty Alfa Romeo 159...


The beautiful Citroen C5...


Of course, those examples are not from the base trim level but often used by car tests.

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Buicks not going to be hip, it's just going to have cars built on a decent platform. The "hip" cars will likely be sold as Opels.

RWD does not necessarily mean bad fuel economy. That's just lies the imports want you to believe. The G8 GT with a 6 liter V8 with 350+ hp gets 25 mpg on the highway EPA rating, and many owners are pushing 30 mpg. The V6 gets rather good numbers as well.

But yes, CAFE is bull****. But that doesn't mean they can just kill off desirable cars, because if they do that they won't sell any new cars. Hopefully Supreme Overlord Obama can be convinced that mandating fuel economy requirements for only some car companies is not Constitutional and will either have them spread it to all companies (which the uppity "eco-friendly" Ferrari/Lambo/Bentley drivers will not agree with killing the requirements) or will realize that it will kill them despite his best efforts and have them repealed.

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