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Old 09-01-2008, 03:18 PM   #1
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Default Four cylinder XR Vue?

I've been nosing around on the GM web based online order site. (it doesn't seem to be a site that is secure, in other words, it's open to the public) I went to see what's for for 2009 on Vues. Okay who sells these and has figured out the content of a ZLV26 Vue?


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Old 09-02-2008, 11:48 PM   #2
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I just saw this today too. While a 4-cyl FWD XR is listed under "New for 2009", there is no equipment info listed in the guide. I really hope this is going to happen because it has bugged me with GM vehicles in general that if you get a 4-cyl model, you're stuck with a cheap appearance/trim package. Now we have a 4-cyl Aura XR, Malibu LTZ and hopefully a Vue XR. What I would reallllly like though is a Turbo four Vue Red Line!

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Old 09-03-2008, 03:30 PM   #3
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From the GM online order guide:

http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/dom...&page=&butID=9

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http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/dom...page=5&butID=3

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Old 09-04-2008, 10:41 AM   #4
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Thanks. I noticed those tidbits in the guide but no equipment breakdown for a 4-cyl XR. I'm just wondering if there are equipment differences as there are between 4-cyl & V6 AURA XR models. I did a quick search on AutoTrader and found no 2009 4-cyl VUE XRs listed. I wonder if the retailers have any info yet.

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Old 09-04-2008, 10:57 AM   #5
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I just saw this today too. While a 4-cyl FWD XR is listed under "New for 2009", there is no equipment info listed in the guide. I really hope this is going to happen because it has bugged me with GM vehicles in general that if you get a 4-cyl model, you're stuck with a cheap appearance/trim package. Now we have a 4-cyl Aura XR, Malibu LTZ and hopefully a Vue XR. What I would reallllly like though is a Turbo four Vue Red Line!
What would be the point of putting the turbo Ecotec in the VUE? The Sky Redline only gets 19/27mpg and it weighs over 900 pounds LESS than the VUE. So you'd have about the same horsepower as the 3.6L V6, but a wee bit more torque once the turbo spools up....and likely worse gas mileage. So what's the appeal again?

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Old 09-07-2008, 10:54 PM   #6
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I thought the new SATURN line-up was going to be a upscale theme, I guess wrong.

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Old 09-07-2008, 11:52 PM   #7
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I thought the new SATURN line-up was going to be a upscale theme, I guess wrong.
I think a lot of people feel like the current theme (08's) are more "upscale" compared to the older ones (at least more upscale visually I guess)...unless you meant that the whole line was going to shift to Lexus/BMW/Acura or whatever else anyone would consider upscale.

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Old 09-08-2008, 12:17 AM   #8
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I think a lot of people feel like the current theme (08's) are more "upscale" compared to the older ones (at least more upscale visually I guess)...unless you meant that the whole line was going to shift to Lexus/BMW/Acura or whatever else anyone would consider upscale.
lol, I wish. I mean as in stop putting the 4-cylinders in the upper levels. Keep them in the XE models. I was very disappointed when SATURN dropped the 6 cylinder in XE model of the Aura for 09, and replaced it with a 4 Cylinder in the XR. I still don't get what SATURN is trying to accomplish. If SATURN is going to do all this they might as well bring back the Manual Transmission in the Vue, and make it an option to the Aura division. I do like driving manuals, and SATURN doesn't have one in there nicer cars, except the Astra which isn't my favorite of the brand.

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Old 09-08-2008, 12:43 AM   #9
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lol, I wish. I mean as in stop putting the 4-cylinders in the upper levels. Keep them in the XE models. I was very disappointed when SATURN dropped the 6 cylinder in XE model of the Aura for 09, and replaced it with a 4 Cylinder in the XR. I still don't get what SATURN is trying to accomplish. If SATURN is going to do all this they might as well bring back the Manual Transmission in the Vue, and make it an option to the Aura division. I do like driving manuals, and SATURN doesn't have one in there nicer cars, except the Astra which isn't my favorite of the brand.
Years ago I shared your sentiments, but in today's economy with high fuel costs, I think its good that Saturn offers a nice 4-cylinder in their uplevel models. After they came out with the 4-cylinder Aura XR, I was wondering how long it would be before they did the same with the Vue. It makes sense to me. The 2.4L seems to perform well in the XE, and I would expect nothing less in the XR. Honda and Toyota offer 4-cylinders in their uplevel models, so to be competitive Saturn really needs to as well. While its often not necessarily the case, a lot of folks equate V6s with fuel in-efficiency, so with gas prices as high as they are, I think this is a good move.

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Old 09-08-2008, 12:52 AM   #10
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Years ago I shared your sentiments, but in today's economy with high fuel costs, I think its good that Saturn offers a nice 4-cylinder in their uplevel models. After they came out with the 4-cylinder Aura XR, I was wondering how long it would be before they did the same with the Vue. It makes sense to me. The 2.4L seems to perform well in the XE, and I would expect nothing less in the XR. Honda and Toyota offer 4-cylinders in their uplevel models, so to be competitive Saturn really needs to as well. While its often not necessarily the case, a lot of folks equate V6s with fuel in-efficiency, so with gas prices as high as they are, I think this is a good move.

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Thanks Charlie, I guess i'm understanding now, because SATURN is the only company in the GM (American) family to offer a 4-cyl in a SUV. I'm also guessing that is why it was the second SUV to be a BEST-SELLER!

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Old 09-08-2008, 03:36 PM   #11
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Okay, I'm curious. What's the content of a XR Ecotec Vue?

I'm somewhat disappointed with the color options of a standard Vue. I will not buy a grey or tan interior vehicle when given the choice. Slip the black interior pieces of the Redline into a Ecotec Vue you've got my interest. Don't have to go all the way to suede seats, cloth will do fine.

Secondly, I have noticed that Saturn seems to be the forgotten division when it comes to USB port radios. The radios are already out there and optional on HHRs and the G5 Cobalt twins. And listed as coming atractions on G6 and Malibu. Where's the Vue and Aura on that list? Yes it makes a heck of a difference in the market. Given the choice, I would gladly pay the hundred bucks for the integration and the assumed abilty to control an Ipod via an in dash radio. Besides that, I assume the USB port will also charge the Ipod.

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Old 09-08-2008, 05:08 PM   #12
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I agree with Charlie. There is no reason to believe that people who want fuel efficient vehicles only want a car or SUV with basic features. There is also no reason to believe that everyone who wants a high end vehicle wants or needs a high level of acceleration and power. I like the idea of having choices in how a vehicle is equipped and powered.

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Old 09-08-2008, 11:16 PM   #13
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Would AWD and the 4 cylinder be too much to ask for?

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Old 09-09-2008, 09:39 AM   #14
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I sure hope not because a 4 cylinder, AWD Vue XR is exactly what I will be looking for when I purchase my next vehicle in a couple of years. Love my 08 XR AWD Vue but don't think I will need the towing power next time around. Maybe a turbo four AWD XR. How many out there would like to see this vehicle as an option. Don't know about you but I think AWD is worth the extra money. I just like having that extra security.

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Old 09-09-2008, 10:35 AM   #15
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I sure hope not because a 4 cylinder, AWD Vue XR is exactly what I will be looking for when I purchase my next vehicle in a couple of years. Love my 08 XR AWD Vue but don't think I will need the towing power next time around. Maybe a turbo four AWD XR. How many out there would like to see this vehicle as an option. Don't know about you but I think AWD is worth the extra money. I just like having that extra security.
Can you explain to me why you're attracted to the concept of a turbo 4-banger rather than the V6? Near as I can tell, it's going to get similar mileage and maybe slightly worse. Look at the mileage numbers for the Sky. Now imagine you add fatter tires, increase the drag coefficient, and put 900lbs in the trunk. I'm not ragging on you. I'd really like to know what you think makes that a good choice. And that's coming from a BIG fan of small turbocharged engines.

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Can you explain to me why you're attracted to the concept of a turbo 4-banger rather than the V6? Near as I can tell, it's going to get similar mileage and maybe slightly worse. Look at the mileage numbers for the Sky. Now imagine you add fatter tires, increase the drag coefficient, and put 900lbs in the trunk. I'm not ragging on you. I'd really like to know what you think makes that a good choice. And that's coming from a BIG fan of small turbocharged engines.
We would obviously have to see such a powertrain in action to know if it would yield significantly better fuel economy numbers. Would the Turbo four weigh less that the 3.6? My biggest issue with the Vue is its mediocre fuel economy and I wish GM could find a way to shed some weight and/or offer a more efficient powertrain.

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a need for a turbo 4, is you have power when you need it. and fuel economy also. my sky gets 34+ mpg if I am cruising and my foot is not in it. A turbo 4 under boost is just like a v-6, but when not in boost, it is a normal 4 cyl. A turbo also works best under a load. so you will find that you can run taller gears in the car. that is why the normal sky gets worse fuel ratings then the redline. it is complex. but a 4 cyl in a vue with a 6 speed trans would be a great thing. you would get the power and perks of a v-6 with the mpg of a 4 cyl.

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Honda and Toyota offer an AWD 4cyl small SUV. If GM wants to increase it's sales, they should offer one again as well.

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Honda and Toyota offer an AWD 4cyl small SUV. If GM wants to increase it's sales, they should offer one again as well.
I couldn't have said it better myself. I still like the idea of a turbo 4, 4 cylinder economy and V6 power when you need it. Of course Saturn must expand the 6 speed tranny to the 4 banger
Just a thought, how about a turbo diesel.

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I would be happy to see a turbo-diesel in the Vue offered. Why not try to break away from the pack and differentiate it somewhat? VW has done this with their Jettas/golfs for many years to set them apart from other compact cars in their segment.

A turbo-4 would be cool as well, but most of all, if nothing above is going to make the cut, for the love of God, give the 4 cyl Vue the 6T45 tranny, as the aura now has.

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