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Old 08-09-2008, 01:17 PM   #1
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Just curious if anyone knew how much extra capacity (if any) the FL-400S provides over the PF-53?

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Old 08-09-2008, 01:30 PM   #2
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Just curious if anyone knew how much extra capacity (if any) the FL-400S provides over the PF-53?
You don't have to add extra oil, if that's what you're asking. I use a bigger filter, checked my oil, and it was right at the full line. I drove for 15 minutes, checked again, still at the full line.

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Old 08-09-2008, 01:39 PM   #3
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Default Re: Extra Capacity with FL-400S Oil Filter

Buy 5 qt of oil instead of 4 qt. Fill 'til the full line.

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Old 08-09-2008, 08:42 PM   #4
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You don't have to add extra oil, if that's what you're asking. I use a bigger filter, checked my oil, and it was right at the full line. I drove for 15 minutes, checked again, still at the full line.
I have to assume that it will hold more. Much like using a PF35 instead of a PF25 on a SBC as it holds another 1/2 quart. Looks like I'll just do the trial and error method to find out. Thank you for the replies.

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Old 08-09-2008, 11:33 PM   #5
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I have to assume that it will hold more. Much like using a PF35 instead of a PF25 on a SBC as it holds another 1/2 quart. Looks like I'll just do the trial and error method to find out. Thank you for the replies.
That's what I was going for, trial and error, but all I could gather was it took no oil. Really, it's only an inch longer (as I recall) and part of that is filter media, I don't know if it would be enough extra to take extra oil.

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Old 08-09-2008, 11:36 PM   #6
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I gotcha. Well if I could pry my wife from the car so I could do an oil change I might find out. I'll post my findings. I didn't have a PF53 handy to compare to the FL-400S so I wasn't sure what the physical difference was.

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Old 08-10-2008, 10:39 PM   #7
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Default Re: Extra Capacity with FL-400S Oil Filter

Well I finally got a chance to do an oil change. I'll make the call at 4-3/8qts. So if you go by Wolfman's spec of 4-1/4qts with a filter on the change this would give you an extra 1/8qt. Not a lot more than stock, but some. Given that the FL-400S was about $0.70 cheaper than the PF53 at my local Advance it's not a bad deal, but I wouldn't go out of my way to find a FL-400S if you didn't have one handy.

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Old 08-11-2008, 09:57 AM   #8
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Just curious if anyone knew how much extra capacity (if any) the FL-400S provides over the PF-53?
Looking at the WIX equivalent of these two filters (easiest place to get data) I make the difference to be 17 cubic inches or 0.3 quarts as seen from the external dimensions. Of course all that space is not available for oil.

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Old 10-05-2008, 11:04 PM   #9
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Default Re: Extra Capacity with FL-400S Oil Filter

Just thought I would add an update to this. Just did my first oil change with the FL-400S. It is much easier to get a band style wrench over the longer filter than the PF-53. I don't remove the passenger side wheel to get to the filter I do everything from the bottom. If you do remove the passenger side tire it probably won't make much difference to you. I think it is definitely worth it to use the FL-400S over the PF-53 if you have the choice.

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Old 10-06-2008, 05:14 AM   #10
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Default Re: Extra Capacity with FL-400S Oil Filter

I've been thinking about using the larger filter, and I believe that because the filter mounts horizontally and maybe 1/2 or more of any extra capacity would run back into the pan when the engine is off, maybe we should be thinking about overfilling by whatever that amount is(let's see 1/2 of 1/4-1/3 =1/8-1/6 quart)? Once the engine is running, the filter will be full and the level will be correct. Unless there's a check valve in the filter adapter, in which case I'm just confusing the issue with the math.

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Old 10-06-2008, 06:23 AM   #11
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There is always ~ 1/2 qt of old oil left in the engine during an oil change. You never get it all out.

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I use fl 400s alot and change it w/o going underneath the car Do it from pass wheel well with wheel all teh way left locked. Just a wee bit more and cheaper to buy the gallon oil with lil left for anything....

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I have used the larger (Taurus SHO) filters for a couple of years and typically change them by turning the wheels all the way to the left just as the previous poster said. Then I reach in through the access panel hole (someone didn't bother to give me the panel with the car in the first place).

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Looking at the WIX equivalent of these two filters (easiest place to get data) I make the difference to be 17 cubic inches or 0.3 quarts as seen from the external dimensions. Of course all that space is not available for oil.
i am a firm believer in WIX filters. i have 3 cars and all three and a previous buick use wix filters. they are considered to be one of the best filters on the market. stay away from fram. before fram was sold, several years ago, the filter construction quality was great bt not anymore. too many horror stories.
i would stick with ac or wix.

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One more minor update on this. You cannot remove the alternator from the car with the taller 400S filter on. It looks like it might be tight with the PF-53. Not a big deal overall, but just a minor annoyance.

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