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Old 07-22-2008, 11:08 PM   #1
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Chevrolet and Cadillac have been getting a lot of press lately as GM's mass-market brands for mainstream and luxury vehicles, respectively. That's left folks with a lot of questions about the other brands situated in the middle of GM's portfolio. You might have even been asking yourself: is there a plan being executed here, or is a GM making things up as it goes along?

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Old 07-23-2008, 09:57 AM   #2
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How many times has Lutz said the same thing about not duplicating product over the past 8 years or so ?

And then we got the mini vans, the 4 cross overs, soon the G3 take on the Aveo for Pontiac, a Cobalt clone and Equinox clone for Pontiac as well and they keep doing the same thing over and over again.The GM 900s are another example.

And always the claim: "we're not going to do that any longer".

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Old 07-23-2008, 12:05 PM   #3
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I miss the days when Saturn was an American brand, and proud of it. What a slap in the face to turn it into an import division...

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Old 07-23-2008, 12:40 PM   #4
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I miss the days when Saturn was an American brand, and proud of it. What a slap in the face to turn it into an import division...
Help me out. Define "american brand" (i am not trying to start an argument, but the definition has varied somewhat in the last ten years)

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Old 07-23-2008, 12:42 PM   #5
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Designed, engineered, and built in the United States.

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How hard headed can this guy be?

The Opel experiment is not working!

From the results of Astra sales, dedicating Saturn's future to European imports will be the last nail in Saturn's coffin.

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Old 07-23-2008, 01:15 PM   #7
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Designed, engineered, and built in the United States.
Oh, you mean like the Hyundai Sonata and the Honda Accord! I get it. Don't turn this thread into another reason to get on your Saturn is dead, polymer crucifix, okay?

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Old 07-23-2008, 01:19 PM   #8
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Oh, you mean like the Hyundai Sonata and the Honda Accord!
Um, no. More like the Saturn S Series that was built in Spring Hill back when Saturn was actually something unique and innovative, and an achievement for GM to be proud of.

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Old 07-23-2008, 01:21 PM   #9
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How hard headed can this guy be?
The Opel experiment is not working!
From the results of Astra sales, dedicating Saturn's future to European imports will be the last nail in Saturn's coffin.
It will work if we have all of the Opels for sale here. Give it some time, they are good cars.

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Old 07-23-2008, 01:25 PM   #10
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Why not just rename the division Opel? It bears no resemblance to the original Saturn.

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Old 07-23-2008, 01:26 PM   #11
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Um, no. More like the Saturn S Series that was built in Spring Hill back when Saturn was actually something unique and innovative, and an achievement for GM to be proud of.
He says, from the seat of his Subaru.......Why not? They're both designed, engineered and built here. That makes them American cars, according to your criteria.

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See? That's what you asked for, that's what I gave you. Don't waffle.

Stick to the topic at hand, don't skew this into your "Saturn of Yore" rant like you always do. Discuss the plan that GM is talking about this week or leave the thread, we don't need you coming in here doing 'that thing you do.'

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Old 07-23-2008, 01:27 PM   #12
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Why not just rename the division Opel? It bears no resemblance to the original Saturn.
You're doing it again.

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Old 07-23-2008, 01:31 PM   #13
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He says, from the seat of his Subaru.......Why not? They're both designed, engineered and built here. That makes them American cars, according to your criteria.
The Sonata and Accord were designed by engineers in the United States, and not in South Korea and Japan, respectively? If so, I'm surprised.

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Stick to the topic at hand, don't skew this into your "Saturn of Yore" rant like you always do. Discuss the plan that GM is talking about this week or leave the thread, we don't need you coming in here doing 'that thing you do.'
Okay, so GM's plan is to turn Saturn into Opel. Why not just call it Opel then? Is the hope to fool people into thinking they're still buying a "different kind of car" built in the United States?

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Sorry, Charlie, it just gets old and tiresome having to sift through and compete with the "Saturn is dead" posts in these threads. It would be different if it pertained to the original post, but to try and insert the debate into practically each and every thread that has the words "GM" or "Saturn" in it gets really frustrating. Sure, we lament the passing of the S-series, but there are forums to discuss that model. This isn't one of them, so it is really irksome to have to 'hear' it here, as well.

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So you'd rather silence the original Saturn customers who are critical of the new direction and pretend there's no dissent? I think Saturn would be wise to look at the success of its original formula as it tries to figure out why people aren't buying the imported Opels in great numbers.

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It will work if we have all of the Opels for sale here. Give it some time, they are good cars.
I know they are good cars, but they can't sell enough of them to stay in business. Saturn sales consultants and dealers can't survive on lower sales.

Past Opel sales and current Opel sales in the US have never been high enough to justify importing them.

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So you'd rather silence the original Saturn customers who are critical of the new direction and pretend there's no dissent? I think Saturn would be wise to look at the success of its original formula as it tries to figure out why people aren't buying the imported Opels in great numbers.
Oh dear God, now I'm trying to oppress the dissatisfied pre-'02 Saturn owners? No. I'd rather not turn every thread into this very debate. There are places to talk about the days of old here at Saturnfans.com, but this thread is not one of them. That's all I'm saying about this, there is no point in doing this anymore.

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This thread is about the future direction of Saturn. What better place to express my opinion about, well, the future direction of Saturn?

You know how Saturn was named after the launch vehicle, a great American engineering achievement? Well, it would be as if the United States started importing the Russian Energia to replace the Saturn V, and called it the Saturn VI! Sure, it might be a capable launch vehicle, but it's not really the same thing as the one developed by the home team, you know?

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This thread is about the future direction of Saturn. What better place to express my opinion about, well, the future direction of Saturn?
But you aren't talking about the future of Saturn, you're talking about leaving the past. If you can discuss the future of Saturn without saying things like "Why not just rename the division Opel? It bears no resemblance to the original Saturn." or "...the Saturn S Series that was built in Spring Hill back when Saturn was actually something unique and innovative, and an achievement for GM to be proud of..." or "I miss the days when Saturn was an American brand, and proud of it. What a slap in the face to turn it into an import division...", then you'll be talking about Saturn's future. Until then, you're hijacking the thread and complaining about the '02+ Saturns.

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Okay, how about in the future they make Saturn a small, independent subsidiary with its own engineering staff dedicated to designing innovative, reliable, affordable American made cars built in plants using the latest technology and the best practices of the Japanese automakers? They could build them at a plant like, say, the one in Spring Hill, TN. They could even have tours and events at the plant! Radical, I know, but I'm sure it could be done!

Why not give Saturn the Volt, instead of Chevy?

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