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Old 05-31-2008, 10:05 AM   #1
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Default Analyst: Production of Next-Gen Saturn Astra, Chevy Cobalt Moving to Mexico

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General Motors executives have been implying for awhile that production of the next-generation Saturn Astra would move to North America when the new model debuts in 2010. What's been up for debate has been the identity of manufacturing facility where the new model would be built. As of today, it looks like the debate is finally over.

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Old 05-31-2008, 11:37 AM   #2
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Default Re: Analyst: Production of Next-Gen Saturn Astra, Chevy Cobalt Moving to Mexico

Off topic,where is the Volt going to be produced?

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Old 05-31-2008, 01:28 PM   #3
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Default Re: Analyst: Production of Next-Gen Saturn Astra, Chevy Cobalt Moving to Mexico

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Off topic,where is the Volt going to be produced?
The rumor mill says Lordstown, and with Cobalt going to Mexico, that fuels the fire. Under that scenario, Lordstown assembly will need another vehicle to complement the low-volume Volt, and that could be a Gamma-based vehicle like the sub-compact trio shown at (the 2007) NYIAS.

I figured Astra would go to Mexico, as Ramos Arizpe has experience with Delta-based products (HHR, SA market Chevy Vectra, etc.)


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Old 05-31-2008, 11:25 PM   #4
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Default Re: Analyst: Production of Next-Gen Saturn Astra, Chevy Cobalt Moving to Mexico

Glad I got mine now... I was afraid of this...

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Old 06-01-2008, 12:28 AM   #5
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Default Re: Analyst: Production of Next-Gen Saturn Astra, Chevy Cobalt Moving to Mexico

And my desire to buy this car lessens....

Thanks, GM....

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Old 06-01-2008, 07:30 PM   #6
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Default Re: Analyst: Production of Next-Gen Saturn Astra, Chevy Cobalt Moving to Mexico

The build quality of the 08 Astra is phenominal. The Antwerp plant even includes a photo documentary of all tweaks and adjustments that were made to the car before it was shipped out. Go to a Saturn showroom and slam the door on one for yourself.

The move to Mexico is necessary and my wife's Vue (built at Ramos Arizpe) is well built IMO, but the Astra is in another class.

I guess the moral of this story is to get the current gen. Astra while you can!

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Old 06-02-2008, 11:11 AM   #7
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Default Re: Analyst: Production of Next-Gen Saturn Astra, Chevy Cobalt Moving to Mexico

Well, I guess that the move may be needed and after thinking about it, the Astra has been made in Mexico under the Chevy badge for a little while now with the high performance model for the Mexican market being made there as well. Perhaps it is too soon to count it out as build quality may not be as bad as some of us are anticipating.

My hopes are that the car retains its quality and is able to keep wowing people like the current Astra has been doing as a H.P. version is the only thing that could get me to trade in my on.

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Old 06-02-2008, 01:46 PM   #8
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Default Re: Analyst: Production of Next-Gen Saturn Astra, Chevy Cobalt Moving to Mexico

Oh what a fabulous idea! So the Mexican slaves will be making all of GM's small vehicles for the NA market including the antequated Cobalt, in addition to those Korean slaves making the little Chevy Aveo at GMs Daewoo plant.

So the American workers still even employed will be able to make all of the 20 or so SUV's GM may be able to sell here in the next coming years.

I wonder if this company even deserves to survive with such incompetent management.

$4.00 gasoline and GM announces the Vue Red line. Open ass, insert head.

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Old 06-02-2008, 02:43 PM   #9
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Hate to say it kids, but no US manufacturer can afford to pay the fat wages of an American UAW worker for much longer.

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Old 06-02-2008, 02:49 PM   #10
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Oh what a fabulous idea! So the Mexican slaves will be making all of GM's small vehicles for the NA market including the antequated Cobalt, in addition to those Korean slaves making the little Chevy Aveo at GMs Daewoo plant.

So the American workers still even employed will be able to make all of the 20 or so SUV's GM may be able to sell here in the next coming years.

I wonder if this company even deserves to survive with such incompetent management.

$4.00 gasoline and GM announces the Vue Red line. Open ass, insert head.
Workers at the Ramos plant are hardly slaves. They're paid a fair wage for their market - something the UAW is vehemently opposed to. Also, did you miss the part about the Aveo moving to Lordstown?

Along with that VUE Red Line comes the 2-mode hybrid this year. Open mouth, insert foot.

As for the Volt, that's slated for Hamtramck, along with a Delta MPV.

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Old 06-02-2008, 03:08 PM   #11
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Default Re: Analyst: Production of Next-Gen Saturn Astra, Chevy Cobalt Moving to Mexico

Cheer up! At the rate the dollar's falling, pretty soon all cars will be built here. Of course we won't be able to afford them, but that's beside the point.

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Old 06-03-2008, 07:14 AM   #12
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I don't care where the car is built. I just hope they don't neuter it. The current Astra is European to the core. When they build it alongside the Cobalt in North America, I bet they will source a lot of components here. I doubt they will give us the same tight suspension and higher end trim and materials that the European version will get.

I don't just want a European look in the Astra. I want everything else that makes the car great.

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Old 06-03-2008, 08:24 AM   #13
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Default Re: Analyst: Production of Next-Gen Saturn Astra, Chevy Cobalt Moving to Mexico

I don't think that there's any reason that they couldn't build the same Astra here, or in Mexico, but I'm betting they won't. It always seems that the marketing department is better at convincing management that bland cars will sell than the engineering department is at convincing them that good cars will sell. And who knows, they may be right. But as far as I can see, the idea behind marketing is mostly based on making a product indistinguishable from the competition, so that only advertising (which they control) matters.

So my bet is that the marketing department will convince GM that it will sell better if they make the ride mushy, the interior bland, the seats softer and wider, and, of course, drop that manual transmission that nobody wants anyway.

Of course another way to look at it is, they bring the car in unchanged to get good reviews in the car magazines, then cheapen it so they can sell it for more profit. Your choice.

In either case, I'd say get your "real" Astra while you can.

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Old 06-03-2008, 05:41 PM   #14
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Old 06-04-2008, 04:05 PM   #15
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Old 06-04-2008, 05:11 PM   #16
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As long as there's still a Saturn badge on it, it's all good, right? Nevermind that GM has ***** on everything Saturn once stood for.

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As long as there's still a Saturn badge on it, it's all good, right? Nevermind that GM has ***** on everything Saturn once stood for.

Because the business model turned out to be unprofitable. Like Saturn has a right to bleed GM dry ? [I guess if Saab can do it so can Saturn]....

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Its hard to see how Saturn (or Saab for that matter) could bleed GM dry. They just aren't big enough. If they're really ".. in this for the long haul now ... to reestablish our brands, to boost our residuals, and to improve the value and image of our vehicles" as Bob Lutz says, then it seems to me that they should be looking to the divisions with loyal customer bases like Saturn and Saab to show them the way.

IMHO most of Saturn's problems have come from being having been hemo-GM-ized too much. They'd do better to look to Saturn as a model than to try to make it a me-too division, as (again IMHO) has happened all too often.

And hey, the Vue Red Line still goes twice as far on a gallon of gas as an H3, and does at least as well as the Porsche Cayenne, which seems to be selling fairly well. Not to mention the 5,000 gallons of gas you can buy for the price difference between the two!

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Oh what a fabulous idea! So the Mexican slaves will be making all of GM's small vehicles for the NA market including the antequated Cobalt, in addition to those Korean slaves making the little Chevy Aveo at GMs Daewoo plant.

So the American workers still even employed will be able to make all of the 20 or so SUV's GM may be able to sell here in the next coming years.

I wonder if this company even deserves to survive with such incompetent management.

$4.00 gasoline and GM announces the Vue Red line. Open ass, insert head.
No, the Aveo will be built here. GM pays upper-middle class wages in Mexico, didn't know that qualified them as slaves. Good to know. Research before spouting off, okay?

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Charlie, you should kill this thread. It's gonna fill up with anti-Mexican/anti-new Saturn posts way too quick.

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