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Old 05-25-2008, 10:16 AM   #1
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David Booth from the National Post newspaper writes about how the most unique thing about the 2008 Vue Green Line is that it gets the "best highway fuel economy rating of any SUV offered in Canada." In addition, "the Vue is quite a looker."

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Articles that quote the sticker MPG do have nice things to say about the Vue GL, as would be expected.

Some test reviews, now just coming out, seem less impressed ... disappointing real-world MPG in the low 20s ... well below window sticker figures. This would seem to make it on-par with the standard XR 4 cylinder Vue. Where's the hybrid benefit?

Anybody have any first-hand experience with the 2008 Vue GL for actual MPG?

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Articles that quote the sticker MPG do have nice things to say about the Vue GL, as would be expected.

Some test reviews, now just coming out, seem less impressed ... disappointing real-world MPG in the low 20s ... well below window sticker figures. This would seem to make it on-par with the standard XR 4 cylinder Vue. Where's the hybrid benefit?

Anybody have any first-hand experience with the 2008 Vue GL for actual MPG?
Same thing happened with the 2007 models--real-world mileage by far exceeding what a reviewer gets. It's true of all cars but seems especially true of hybrids.

Remember, there's very little "real-world" about auto journalism...

FWIW, there's only one 2008 VUE GL on reporting on fueleconomy.gov, and it's getting 28.0.

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I will get numbers to you soon enough, it seems I cant get through this tank of gas....... I had a mustang in the past, and would normally be empty by now, have yet to reach through my first quarter on the 2008 Vue GL. In all honesty, it all depends on your driving habits, as is the case with al vehicles.

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Old 06-11-2008, 08:30 AM   #5
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Articles that quote the sticker MPG do have nice things to say about the Vue GL, as would be expected.

Some test reviews, now just coming out, seem less impressed ... disappointing real-world MPG in the low 20s ... well below window sticker figures. This would seem to make it on-par with the standard XR 4 cylinder Vue. Where's the hybrid benefit?

Anybody have any first-hand experience with the 2008 Vue GL for actual MPG?
I got mine about a week ago, and just made it through my first tank of gas. About 360miles driven, probably 60-75% were highway miles. Assuming the dealership filled up the tank 100%, my mileage was slightly over 23 MPG. Very disappointing.

I'm driving the car about 80 miles today, all highway, and I'm going to fill up right before and right after, so will get a good reading on highway mileage by this evening. But if this car really gets low 20s in the real world, I'm highly disappointed and would not have purchased it Other than that, nice looking car and no complaints, but the car I traded in actually had better mileage than 23MPG !!!

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First point -- Let the engine break in. My 07 Greenline did not start geting its current mileage until after its first oil change. After that its summer mileage with 75% highway is 30 to 32. Winter mileage was 27 to 29.

Second -- Test reviews are driven by clowns more interested in 0 to 60 than by mileage and with a bias against the big 3.

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I agree with the comment above about fuel mileage. From what I've heard from hybrid owners, they really start seeing improvement after the engine break-in period.

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First point -- Let the engine break in. My 07 Greenline did not start geting its current mileage until after its first oil change. After that its summer mileage with 75% highway is 30 to 32. Winter mileage was 27 to 29.

Second -- Test reviews are driven by clowns more interested in 0 to 60 than by mileage and with a bias against the big 3.
I am also starting to think that the car wasn't 100% full of gas when I got it, despite the needle being on F. I say this because I drove 80 miles on the highway yesterday, filling up right before and after the driving. MPG was a little over 31. Funny thing is that the needle was still basically on F after the 80 miles. So I'm wondering if the dealership filled it just enough to have it be on F, and I was assuming a full tank.

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I got mine about a week ago, and just made it through my first tank of gas. About 360miles driven, probably 60-75% were highway miles. Assuming the dealership filled up the tank 100%, my mileage was slightly over 23 MPG. Very disappointing.

I'm driving the car about 80 miles today, all highway, and I'm going to fill up right before and right after, so will get a good reading on highway mileage by this evening. But if this car really gets low 20s in the real world, I'm highly disappointed and would not have purchased it Other than that, nice looking car and no complaints, but the car I traded in actually had better mileage than 23MPG !!!
One review I read had 2008 Vue GL fuel ecomony results something like 23.8 MPG. The BAS hybrids won't be much better (if at all) than a conventional vehicle in pure highway driving. The 32 MPG is derived from a specific government test loop that the BAS hybrids are optimized for.

If Saturn added the 6-speed auto, low-rolling resistance tires, spoilers, fuel economy monitor, direct injection, etc. to the base XE 2.4 Ecotech, that would be a better answer for most drivers.

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One review I read had 2008 Vue GL fuel ecomony results something like 23.8 MPG. The BAS hybrids won't be much better (if at all) than a conventional vehicle in pure highway driving. The 32 MPG is derived from a specific government test loop that the BAS hybrids are optimized for.

If Saturn added the 6-speed auto, low-rolling resistance tires, spoilers, fuel economy monitor, direct injection, etc. to the base XE 2.4 Ecotech, that would be a better answer for most drivers.
Remember, the new EPA tests are tuned to be a much more appropriate simulation of actual American driving habits. If the VUE GL gets 32 on the highway while the conventional VUE gets 26, I'd say that's a pretty good improvement. In other words, if the GL is (as you say) optimized for a specific gov't test loop, and the test loop is an appropriate simulation, I'd say it's win-win.

By the way, my last pure highway tank in our BAS hybrid SUV was 34.9 mpg over lots of hills with the A/C on. Range was 539 miles. Advantage: BAS.

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I should also add: a 6-spd automatic tranny won't necessarily make highway MPG any better. What matters is how fast the engine is turning while in top gear. For ours, it's about 2100 RPM at 70 mph. I doubt the 6-speed would (or even could--it's only a 4-banger) improve on that.

For non-highway driving, the benefits would be more substantial.

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I should also add: a 6-spd automatic tranny won't necessarily make highway MPG any better. What matters is how fast the engine is turning while in top gear. For ours, it's about 2100 RPM at 70 mph. I doubt the 6-speed would (or even could--it's only a 4-banger) improve on that.

For non-highway driving, the benefits would be more substantial.
I would tend to agree with your statement, but Saturn is extolling the virtues of the newly available 6-speed transmission in the 2009 Aura with the 2.4 Ecotec, claiming 33 MPG highway (up from 30 mpg in 2008 with 4-speed).

I can't imagine top gear on the 6-speed is any taller as the 2.4 Ecotec in my 2008 Aura "lugs" a little bit just under 2000 RPM in OD & with the converter locked this happens in the 45 ~ 50 MPH range. At 65 MPH, it's a comfortable 2500 +/- RPM, just entering the "sweet spot" of its torque curve.

Perhaps with the 6 speed it jumps between 5 & 6th all the time ... this was very annoying in my XR Vue.

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I will get numbers to you soon enough, it seems I cant get through this tank of gas....... I had a mustang in the past, and would normally be empty by now, have yet to reach through my first quarter on the 2008 Vue GL. In all honesty, it all depends on your driving habits, as is the case with al vehicles.
That is one sharp looking SUV! So, what are you seeing with your GL Vue in mileage? (How many kms on a tank?)

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Just finished a trip to NB and PEI. I was actually surprised at the results. When I first bought the vehicle, I was getting 650 L per 65 L tank 60% highway 40 % City. After rapping up my trip to PEI and new brunswick, I pulled off between 750 - 800 KM per tank with maybe a little more highway than 60 %. I am extremely impressed. Those numbers are also with 1 passenger and bags. Im moving to Victoria next summer!!!!! In earlier posts, folks had mentioned that there was a break in period but I had no idea it was so substantial. No wonder all the reviews on the GL are garbage, they are not using broken in vehicles.

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