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Old 03-23-2008, 10:26 PM   #1
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Cars.com recently released its list of the top 10 2008 model year hybrid vehicles on the market. The website says it hopes ratings and rankings methodology will help consumers get a clear understanding of these vehicles' fuel-efficiency and price differences compared to their non-hybrid counterparts.

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Old 03-24-2008, 09:55 AM   #2
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That is some very interesting information. I am surprised to see that the Vue GL made number 2 on the list. I think that will do well for Saturn. To me, I believe it will be great when the 2-mode hybrid is released. I personally see the BAS hybrid system utilized by GM to be a bit behind technology, although you can't beat it for the price,


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Old 03-24-2008, 01:06 PM   #3
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That is some very interesting information. I am surprised to see that the Vue GL made number 2 on the list. I think that will do well for Saturn. To me, I believe it will be great when the 2-mode hybrid is released. I personally see the BAS hybrid system utilized by GM to be a bit behind technology, although you can't beat it for the price,

Yeah, it's so "behind technology" that Mercedes is adopting it as well. It's actually an excellent way to stop wasting fuel by idling and is going to be spread around a lot.

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Old 03-24-2008, 02:45 PM   #4
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Yeah, it's so "behind technology" that Mercedes is adopting it as well. It's actually an excellent way to stop wasting fuel by idling and is going to be spread around a lot.
Sure, it's just peachy keen at shutting off the engine at stops (for two minutes or less, the cut off point for the BAS system).

It's just completely unable to actually power the wheels and move the vehicle, or save more than 1-2 mpg in its current BAS-I configuration. It's no different than the start-stop systems used by BMW or Mini in Europe.

Put BAS-I in 100% of all GM cars as the new standard drivetrain system and yeah, a 1-2 mpg improvement in the fleet will have a significant impact on global fuel consumption.

But put it in the miniscule numbers of currently offered GL vehicles and essentially nothing measurable changes for anyone. (No GL sedans have even been offered here in Chicago since early 2007 as far as I'm aware, due to the Cobasys corporate failure, etc.)

And unlike a Prius, an individual GL driver will likely notice nothing tangible in terms of either saving significant amounts of money in reduced fuel use, or in improved driving performance. Truly the worst of both worlds.

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Sure, it's just peachy keen at shutting off the engine at stops (for two minutes or less, the cut off point for the BAS system).

It's just completely unable to actually power the wheels and move the vehicle, or save more than 1-2 mpg in its current BAS-I configuration. It's no different than the start-stop systems used by BMW or Mini in Europe.
So the BMW/MINI systems are worthless too then?

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Put BAS-I in 100% of all GM cars as the new standard drivetrain system and yeah, a 1-2 mpg improvement in the fleet will have a significant impact on global fuel consumption.
That's where this is going. At a minimal cost, you can bump efficiency 20%.

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And unlike a Prius, an individual GL driver will likely notice nothing tangible in terms of either saving significant amounts of money in reduced fuel use, or in improved driving performance. Truly the worst of both worlds.
Did you type that with a straight face? You couldn't have seriously used "improved driving performance" and "Prius" in the same sentence. And a $21k compact car saving significant amounts of money? Compared to what - a Suburban? $7,000 (base Cobalt) buys an awful lot of gas...

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That's where this is going. At a minimal cost, you can bump efficiency 20%.
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Ummm, if the current FLEET CAFE average is 22 mpg, a 1 - 2 mpg increase is a lot closer to 10% then it is to your quoted 20%. And as the CAFE rises to say 32 mpg a 1 - 2 mpg increase gives you even less advantage getting closer to 5 or 6%......

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Ummm, if the current FLEET CAFE average is 22 mpg, a 1 - 2 mpg increase is a lot closer to 10% then it is to your quoted 20%. And as the CAFE rises to say 32 mpg a 1 - 2 mpg increase gives you even less advantage getting closer to 5 or 6%......
1-2mpg was his theoretical improvement. In the VUE, the efficiency jumps 27% (EPA combined: 22mpg to 28mpg).

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