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Old 02-17-2008, 09:52 AM   #1
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Default Wolfman's reverse slam fix with PICTURES!

We were experiencing a slight reverse slam in our 1999 SW1. A reverse slam is the “clunk” of changing the gears in an automatic transmission from reverse to any other gear. In Saturn S-Series cars, this is a common problem - usually the culprit of not maintaining the maintenance schedule of the automatic transmission.

After reading countless stories and fixes I came across Wolfman's reverse slam fix; I did it yesterday on our SW1. I performed it in -7 degree weather, and my hand are still cold from yesterday.

NOTE: This procedure is still Wolfman's brain-child, I take no "kudos" for coming up with this fix. I just wanted to take pictures of the procedure and post them here so it will help others along

Here are the steps:

Get the right fluids for the job. Standard ATF fluid, an additive, and an OEM auto transmission filter from Saturn. DO NOT use a standard auto filter. If you are doing this yourself, just ask for the part # from the pic below



Put the car up on ramps.



Un-tighten the transmission drain plug. 15mm socket.



Let the fluid drain in a pan.



Check the fluid colour as it drains.



Make sure you let it dribble to the end.



Clean up the drips.



Check the fluid colour in the pan for problems.



Take off the old filter. A filter wrench will help. Removing the air box will give better access to remove the filter. MAKE SURE YOU WATCH THE WIRES AND SENSORS GOING TO THE TRANSMISSION! DO NOT DAMAGE THEM! TAKE YOUR TIME!



The old crappy filter.



Apply a thin coat of transmission fluid to the new filter seal. Just like an oil filter.



Make sure you watch the transmission sensors and sensor wires when you put the new filter on.



Pour in your additive of choice through the dip stick shaft. Then pour in the ATF. You will definitely need a funnel of some sort.



Take the car off the ramps and chalk the back tires with the ramps.



Put the car in reverse with the parking break on. Let the car sit in reverse for 30 minutes - I just used my stove timer to keep track of the minutes. While waiting, this is a good time to clean up the mess, and to check the tire pressure, clean the wind shield, etc. etc. DO NOT LEAVE THE CAR UNATTENDED WHILE IN REVERSE! Stick around for any problems.

After the 30 minutes, take it out for a spin around the neighborhood. Try regular driving, …backing up, …3-point turns. Anything that will mimic regular driving.

I did this procedure, and our reverse slam was cured. Right away while driving down the block, I could tell the transmission shifted faster and smoother; in the drive gears as well. If it comes back, I will do the procedure again.

Thought I would share this with the masses. Hope this helps!

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Old 02-17-2008, 11:20 AM   #2
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I don't own an automatic transmission Saturn but I want to acknowledge to you that your Pictures and descriptions are great and will be very helpful to everyone else!

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Old 02-17-2008, 03:13 PM   #3
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Great pics!!! Thank you!!

Looks like the Lucas stuff worked..

The wagon is cool, too....

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Old 02-17-2008, 07:57 PM   #4
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nice pics with details that will help the other newbies saturn car owners. Now you can give your wagon a nice bath to washing the road salts off the car,, underneath washing also too prevents further rusting.

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Old 02-17-2008, 10:04 PM   #5
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Nice! Like the ramps to keep it in place in reverse. Worked well for me also. It is a good idea to listen for the radiator fan coming on. Mine worked well during the reverse slam, but last time I changed my transmission fluid the fan was dead and I overheated the car when idling...

What kind of camera did you use? Those pictures are so clear! It is posts like this that makes this forum invaluable. It has been 50,000 miles since doing the reverse slam procedure and my transmission works like a new one. Thanks.

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Old 02-17-2008, 10:07 PM   #6
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I have had 5 speed saturns only so reverse slam is not something I'm familiar with, but your pictoral and instructions makes the process seem dead easy. Thanks.

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Old 02-17-2008, 10:53 PM   #7
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What do we do to have this added to the "how to" library?

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Old 02-29-2008, 12:24 PM   #8
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What kind of camera did you use? Those pictures are so clear!
I use an Olympus C5050, it is a 5 megapixel camera, and I bought it back in 2003 off eBay. It is a great little camera, it is semi-pro rated because it is a point and shoot style, but you can add on a bunch of lenses (which I do). I bring the images into photoshop, and I ave an auto action that sizes them, and sharpens them - which is why they jump out on the page

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nice pics with details that will help the other newbies saturn car owners. Now you can give your wagon a nice bath to washing the road salts off the car,, underneath washing also too prevents further rusting.
Thanks. Tell me about it. They use too much salt up here in Canada. I'd rather they put down sand instead.

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What do we do to have this added to the "how to" library?
Thanks for suggesting, I guess one of the admins has to do this.

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Old 02-29-2008, 12:51 PM   #9
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What do we do to have this added to the "how to" library?
PM Charlie and suggest it. That's how it works.

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This is great info! The pictures are very helpful.
This thread really should be in the How-To section.

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Very good pics coupled with Wolfman's info.
I just did this to my car. It does seem to shift better.
However, I'm getting a problem when I put the car into reverse. The car still wants to go forward. The Check Engine Light is on when it happens. If I turn the car off, then turn it back on, the light goes away and then the car will go into reverse. Any ideas what this may be? Is there a solenoid that needs to be replaced? I plan on getting the code scanned asap.

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Need to get the code to tell for sure.

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Old 03-25-2010, 11:18 PM   #13
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Need to get the code to tell for sure.
That is the first thing on my priority list. Worst case scenario I do have a spare complete trans in case I need one, but that code should point me into the right direction. Heck, I've already replaced the engine in the car, rewired a hackjob speaker installation by the previous owner, and threw my old alpine cd player in the car. Last weekend I just redid the valve cover gasket, and several weeks ago I replaced a corroded brake line. The car has come a long way since I first traded my Dodge for it. If I can nip this final problem in the but, crossing my fingers, but I should be good for a while. The only other part needing replacement is the power steering pump. Headlight motors don't work but it's something I've placed on the backburner for now.

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you probably have a oil filled connection on the top of the transmission or the range switch is out of whack and that is all that is wrong but it helps to have the code.

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I thought reverse slam happens going into reverse. Can someone confirm this?

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I thought reverse slam happens going into reverse. Can someone confirm this?
When you physically go to put the gearshift of the car INTO Reverse, the car will make a slight "Clunk" and then SLAM into Reverse. That is the Reverse Slam. It's a "delayed reaction" kind of event..that's the best way to describe it, if you haven't experienced it before. Basically it's the equivalent sensation of the feeling of the back end of your car getting run into in a rear-end collision.

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Thanks for reply! Mine makes a clunk going OUT of reverse. Going IN is no problem.

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I have a '99 SL1 with 213K miles (still getting 35 mpgs! ). I have this same problem and rough shifting in general. I've had the car for +/- 60K and have never changed the trans fluid based on the warnings of a friend with more auto mech experience than I. He has warned me that changing/flushing the fluid on high mileage cars can often be detrimental. He has said that sometimes its all the crap in the fluid that permits the gears to gain traction and that if you flush it, you'll experience slippage. Any thoughts?

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I have a '99 SL1 with 213K miles (still getting 35 mpgs! ). I have this same problem and rough shifting in general. I've had the car for +/- 60K and have never changed the trans fluid based on the warnings of a friend with more auto mech experience than I. He has warned me that changing/flushing the fluid on high mileage cars can often be detrimental. He has said that sometimes its all the crap in the fluid that permits the gears to gain traction and that if you flush it, you'll experience slippage. Any thoughts?
There is some truth to that idea....although the reverse slam on an auto trans in a Saturn is moreso because of a design flaw (in my opinion) on how the trans works through the gears.

From my own experience; auto trans can be very picky in a Saturn. On my 94 SC1 I thought I was going to have to put a new transmission into the car in 2007 (it still has the original with 340K miles on it)...the trans started slipping in the gears; mainly for the fact that I had missed a trans fluid change, literally by about 1000 miles. Changed the fluid; and everything was good.

There's a difference between a fluid "change" and "flush".

Change= Draining old fluid and adding new fluid and filter
Flush= Draining old fluid, and adding a cleaner, running the car, draining fluid out, then adding new fluid and filter.

Flush will definately hurt the car after a number of miles, as "Good Deposits" can build up just as much as "Bad Deposits"....

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I got some problems going on with my daughters 99 SL1. It was started doing the reverse slam recently and it seemed to be taking longer to go into reverse at all. It was getting worse, and my daughter was afraid of being not able to back up the car at all. I should have tried the " Cure " but decided to swap out the valve body for one that was supposed to have been upgraded with sonnex kit and tested. A tech who works at a reman shop did the work on the upgraded one. I never changed one of these before, and i messed up and did not hook on the arm for the manual reverse slider. ya i put in all together without the arm hooked up. that was real smart. i was in a big hurry, and forgot to re-hook the arm. so i had it all back together and it was stuck in drive no matter what gear selected. i then remembered the arm. it was no fun to take it all back apart. i removed the valve body and the arm seemed to be stuck downward against the side of a gear. i moved the shifter and it freed up. i hooked on the arm and made sure it was going through all the gears smoothly before putting the pan back on. i was very disappointed after all that work it was all messed up. i had park and goes into gear slots smooth but no reverse at all, no slam no nothing. it was going into drive at first then no drive either. it makes noises when put into reverse or drive those noises i have heard before on these type trans. maybe its the solenoids doing that sound? it will go into gear when placed in the D3 spot, and the D2 spot only. so my old valve body was working better than this one. what the heck happened? did i mess something up when i started it up and tried the gears when the rod was not hooked up? did that mess up this re-done valve body? i just got done doing that job to times, and i am really tired and bummed out I just need some good advice on whether that so called re-done valve body was ever any good, or did i mess it up? i mentioned that the linkage arm that was not hooked up was jammed. could it have got bent when it jammed? it seems to be in the right gears and the backup lights come on when it's in reverse. it goes right into park and all selections feel correct. please help. thank you.

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