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Old 01-28-2008, 05:00 AM   #1
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Old 01-28-2008, 11:53 AM   #2
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I wonder how much hp and torque a puffed 1.4 liter engine can make? The current NA 1.4l Twinport Ecotec makes 90 hp and 92 lb ft of torque. A 60% hp improvement would be needed to get it to 160 hp. Mazda does that for the MazdaSpeed3 motor (actually 61%) and a 9.5:1 compression ration. The Opel 1.4 is at 10.5, so I guess you can do it with the right bottom end. The question is: Is 160 hp enough? or, Is GM shooting for efficiency, and not bigger hp, with the little turbo motors?

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Old 01-28-2008, 01:19 PM   #3
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I finally seeing SATURN getting it right. I have heard that alot of ppl are very dissappointed with the new Astra. Hopefully the turbocharge will be as powerful as the others like the Mazda3 Speedster or turbo-charged mini cooper or something.

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Old 01-28-2008, 01:27 PM   #4
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They're just copying VW's 1.4 with a turbo and supercharger. It develops between 122-170HP and 200-240NM, so maybe somewhere around there (VW engine compression ratio 10:1)

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Old 01-28-2008, 03:24 PM   #5
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So the turbo will get better gas mileage but you are going to need to run 91+. So you use less gas but it is more expensive per gallon. Where exactly is the benefit?

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Old 01-28-2008, 03:29 PM   #6
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So the turbo will get better gas mileage but you are going to need to run 91+. So you use less gas but it is more expensive per gallon. Where exactly is the benefit?

Well, it costs Saturn/GM $450 for the turbo or SC and they charge us $1200+. Also if the EPA rated gas mileage goes up many folks will see that and not consider the fuel type, so those are two benefits for GM.

Still, I like this idea and it is another reason I am not even looking at the Astra for now. With my Ion I would have loved a Red Line or a 2.4 and should have waited for those options, but at the same time I would have missed out on many of the good incentives at the time.

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Old 01-28-2008, 05:26 PM   #7
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Why don't they put a turbo diesel in the Astra instead of a turbo gasoline engine? Would make more sense to me. Because then you wouldn't have any more horsepower, but it would make more torque which is what throws you back in your seat anyway.

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Old 01-28-2008, 09:46 PM   #8
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This is all about meeting stricter CAFE requirements being considered and possibly approved by the government. I would be reluctant to put a four cylinder under two liters in displacement in the engine bay of a midsized sedan unless they could figure out how to reduce curb weight without sacrificing safety or structural integrity.

For an Astra or Aveo sized vehicle, I think a 1.4L Ecotec with turbo and direct injection is a good idea, since that's what will help them offset the GMT900s that are not two-mode hybrids. Toyota and Nissan get a free pass because the Prius offsets the Sequoia/Tundra while the Versa balances out the Armada/Titan. The Aveo's fuel economy numbers do not remedy the Tahoe/Silverado as dramatically and the 1.4T could help.


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Old 01-28-2008, 10:26 PM   #9
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tease!
I thought we were going to get the 2.0i 16v turbo (240PS) in our ASTRA

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No real suprises here except for the useage and to a smaller degree, the purpose. Small turbo four cylinder 1.4 and 1.6 litre, gasoline engines are alleged to be more fuel effecient than larger normally aspirated fours and at the same time, offering marginally bettet performance.

It was my understanding from the get go that there would be a 2 Litre, turbo Red Line Astra to address the rice rocket challange. On an entirely different level there was to be a Corsa Red Line with either a 1.4 or 1.6 Turbo motor.

All of these TURBO GOODIES would have proper Six speed gearboxes, Manual and Automatic. Next only the Saturn Aura remains to be fitted with Cadillac's 3.6 litre, direct injection muscle motor sporting somewhat north of 300 Horsepower and, look out world, here comes Saturn.

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Old 01-29-2008, 02:13 AM   #11
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An AutoBlog posting says it'll be 140hp.


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Old 01-29-2008, 09:59 AM   #12
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An AutoBlog posting says it'll be 140hp.[/url]
And paired with a 6 speed automatic would be a nice thing. GM is phasing out the 4 speed automatics (I have relations in the PowerTrain Division), so the 6 speed should be a reality.

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Old 02-02-2008, 05:30 PM   #13
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Would consider the Astra if that was a turbo diesel. But since Bob Lutz is an idiot we will never get a fuel efficient Saturn again.

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Old 02-02-2008, 09:36 PM   #14
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Would consider the Astra if that was a turbo diesel. But since Bob Lutz is an idiot we will never get a fuel efficient Saturn again.
Ha. We wouldn't have Saturn or GM period if Lutz was not there.

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Old 02-02-2008, 10:17 PM   #15
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Ha. We wouldn't have Saturn or GM period if Lutz was not there.
I agree ... Old Bob is a car guy in a world of bean counters.

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Ha. We wouldn't have Saturn or GM period if Lutz was not there.

Maybe that isn't such a bad thing.

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I think the idea of GM small cars, including the Astra, receiving a turbocharged 1.4 liter is a great idea. I find it humorous that in a country where people constantly complain about rising fuel costs, we continue to build cars with more and more horsepower that get horrible fuel economy. Why is this? Because we demand it. The trend in our country is to drive the car with the most horsepower. Whether it's a Cadillac CTS V-series, a Corvette ZR1, or even a Honda Accord, the demand is for vehicles with MORE power. Don't get me wrong, I think the cars like the Cadillac CTS V-series and the Corvette ZR1 are going to be one of the world's best cars in their respective class, but we have to decide if this is more important than great fuel economy. We can't have it both ways. If you want these cars, great! I would love to drive the new CTS V-series! If you want these cars but continue to complain about rising fuel costs, then you need to decide what is more important. The people who complain about rising fuel costs, but want cars with more horsepower are the ones who are helping keep these costs up. Supply and demand.

The point to my raving (thanks for reading if you did) Bob Lutz is definitely NOT an idiot. He appears to be a true car enthusiast, as well as a man with good business sense. Bob Lutz is at least thinking globally, which is why GM is more likely to be around in 7-10 years compared to Chrysler or maybe even Ford. He sees the demand for vehicles with more horsepower while at the same time sees the demand for fuel efficient cars. He's getting pressure from both our government and the average consumer. Why not start building cars that get better fuel economy while at the same time have a decent power to weight ratio? For that matter, why not start building cars that have aesthetically pleasing interiors, as well as exteriors, with a good warranty to back those cars? Oh wait, GM IS doing that. Again, Bob Lutz is not an idiot. He is a man who enjoys cars and has a vision to actually keep his company in business for years to come!

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When was the last time you heard me complain of the cost of fuel ?? When have you ever heard me complain about the cost of fuel. Now in a country of lets say 303,363,751 people how many of those people have you talked to that complained about gas prices. Half, a quarter, maybe an eighth, not evan an eight? If you have talked to so few people how can you say "in a country where people constantly complain about rising fuel costs".

Fact is I don't hear anyone complaining about the cost of gas that I run into. I hear the news talking about it now and then. I hear the news asking people at the pumps about gas prices, and they answer. I've never heard a comsumer anywhere say, damn the cost of this is to low I think they should raise the price. Do you say that, have you said that?

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When was the last time you heard me complain of the cost of fuel ?? When have you ever heard me complain about the cost of fuel. Now in a country of lets say 303,363,751 people how many of those people have you talked to that complained about gas prices. Half, a quarter, maybe an eighth, not evan an eight? If you have talked to so few people how can you say "in a country where people constantly complain about rising fuel costs".

Fact is I don't hear anyone complaining about the cost of gas that I run into. I hear the news talking about it now and then. I hear the news asking people at the pumps about gas prices, and they answer. I've never heard a comsumer anywhere say, damn the cost of this is to low I think they should raise the price. Do you say that, have you said that?
First, please let me state that I never once referred to "you" in my posting. It was a general post, a post intended for the general population who reads and posts threads on Saturnfans.com. It was not intended to point a finger at you or anyone in particular.

Second, if you have watched the news in the last 5-years, you would see that one of the big news makers is the rising cost of fuel, albeit it has not been as popular recently due to our country's current economic standing and how our potential future leaders are battling it out to see who can best fix our country's current economic standing. It has been a big topic in several automotive magazines within the past few years as well and while hybrid vehicles are becoming more and more popular. The point of my "rant" was that it only makes sense that GM is looking to develop vehicles that use less fuel. Of course I did not interview every person in our country. You are a bigger skeptic than me. I too like to see facts, figures, and studies before drawing a conclusion. According to what has been in the media and according to MANY people I have talked to over the past few years, the rising costs of fuel is a major concern. I do no not know for sure, but probably one of the reasons you and your family like the Ion so much is because it gets pretty good gas mileage, although I am sure that would not be your only reason.

I am surprised to read that you took my response so personally. It appears you just enjoy a good argument or at the very least like to argue.

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I hope it does. I was very dissapointed when I heard it wasn't going to be offered with a performance engine. I was hoping for a larger displacement but, its a start. A 1.4 liter engine, my sport bike has the same size motor.

I hope the rumor is ture and they do make this option avalible.

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