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Old 01-19-2008, 11:30 PM   #1
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General Motors is preparing to make a bold push to consolidate all of its brands under one roof in major metropolitan areas around the country. The move, which will be made public and explained in detail next month in San Francisco at the annual National Automobile Dealers Association convention, comes as the number of standalone GM dealerships is dwindling inside city limits.

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Old 01-20-2008, 12:17 AM   #2
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Kind of expected to see this sooner or later...

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Old 01-20-2008, 04:00 PM   #3
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Figured as much, I kinda like that idea anyway. Beats driving to 4 or 5 different Dealerships.

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Old 01-20-2008, 07:55 PM   #4
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I've been pleading for this here and on other forums for how long now? Why the hell don't they just put me in charge already!

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Old 01-20-2008, 09:08 PM   #5
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You know, Saturn used to be a specialized brand, with a special way of doing business - this is what made the company to what it is today. Sales training and business operations were very "Saturn Like" and the focus was NOT being like the other GM brands. By rolling Saturn under the same roof as a Chevy/Pontiac dealer, my guess is that all the customer care that made Saturn a step above the other brands will disappear. Imagine walking onto a lot and having the Aura parked beside the Malibu.. geez, some companies just don't learn from past mistakes and here they go again.

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Old 01-20-2008, 09:53 PM   #6
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If I had predicted ten years ago that Saturn would be selling generic GM products, would eliminate the polymer panels entirely, would no longer have any vehicles produced in Spring Hill, would have some vehicles produced in Mexico and overseas, and would have the dealers merged with other GM dealerships, how many of you would've believed me? Heck, even I didn't think GM would screw up Saturn that badly!

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Old 01-20-2008, 11:54 PM   #7
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By rolling Saturn under the same roof as a Chevy/Pontiac dealer, my guess is that all the customer care that made Saturn a step above the other brands will disappear. Imagine walking onto a lot and having the Aura parked beside the Malibu.. geez, some companies just don't learn from past mistakes and here they go again.
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Gee, the audacity of GM to address problems like, for example, a near-60 mile gap in Saturn dealerships in a major market like the Greater Los Angeles area!

Seriously, would you rather that GM let its Saturn customers just twist in the wind, instead? The reality is that in many areas, mine included, a staggering number of Saturn dealerships have recently closed shop because they could not sustain as stand-alone dealers. Here in the LA area - perhaps the most critical automotive market in the U.S. - such closures have left an enormous, arguably untenable, geographic vacancy for Saturn sales / service.

GM can't exactly force new stand-alone franchises to open in these areas, especially since it's apparent that this is a recipe for failure. In this economic era, consolidation is a solution that would make sense. There have been a considerable number of posts on this board discussing Saturn dealerships closing. What would you prefer, that GM just continue to let that happen until Saturn vanishes altogether?

I know that the opening of any new stand-alone Saturn dealers was not going to happen here. So I consider this good news, and I am sure many Saturn owners would find relief in the possibility that a Saturn retailer could open again closer to their homes... even if that means it is under the same roof as another GM make.

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Old 01-21-2008, 09:20 AM   #8
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The other thing they really need to do quickly is to allow Saturn warranty work to be done at other GM dealers when a Saturn facility closes and there is no other Saturn store nearby.

As for the sale of different GM brands from the same facility, it is inevitable as land gets more valuable. Nation wide, small dealerships are going the way of small farms. Many if not most Saturn stores are already owned by large auto groups. While separate stores are maintained, many of these are part of multiple dealer autoplexes.

I see nothing wrong with the consolidation in areas where real estate is very expensive as long as the entire mixed facility adopts Saturn quality customer service standards. I believe that GM has given up its former strategy of trying to win over GM haters with the Saturn brand but I believe it is still very important for Saturns to be sold in a manner that treats everyone equally well.

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All Saturn Facilities received a message from Mark LaNeve today stating that this story is a "gross misrepresentation" of GM's current marketing strategy and that there are no plans to announce a "one roof" system.

Real Estate prices are a major issue facing facilities but there are other strategies in place to deal with this vs. a mass consilidation of the brands.

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Old 01-21-2008, 12:17 PM   #10
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Yeah, we got similar messages from Bernard Schwartz when rumors of Loral's impending bankruptcy started hitting the press. He vehemently denied it until the day Loral declared bankruptcy!

Did Mark LaNeve call the rumors of shared platforms, no more polymer panels, Spring Hill closing, etc a "gross misrepresentation" a few years ago? I wouldn't be surprised! Blatantly lying seems to be SOP in business.

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Yeah, we got similar messages from Bernard Schwartz when rumors of Loral's impending bankruptcy started hitting the press. He vehemently denied it until the day Loral declared bankruptcy!

Did Mark LaNeve call the rumors of shared platforms, no more polymer panels, Spring Hill closing, etc a "gross misrepresentation" a few years ago? I wouldn't be surprised! Blatantly lying seems to be SOP in business.
Blatant exaggeration/lying is also SOP in the media.

I guess we'll have to wait and see how this one plays out.

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Why not simply rename the company as Generic Motors. That way they can save those silly badges.

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Why not simply rename the company as Generic Motors. That way they can save those silly badges.
GM has the largest stable of different cars in the world. They also probably have the most rebadges and moves like this and taking it further should reduce and eliminate that.

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Imagine walking onto a lot and having the Aura parked beside the Malibu..
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Hey prof, you beat me to it. I was thinking the exact same thing. I have said more than once, if your product line is going to so dependent on shared paltforms and rebadging why not just do away with all the different GM badges and brands and just call it a GM. Pick the name for the platform you think is more pleasing and marketable, Aura vs Malibu, take the Saturn and Chevrolet name off it and just call it a GM Aura and be done with it.

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It seems to me that the retailing of most auto brands was tied to a system that is somewhat archaic and inefficient by today's standards. In my region there have been numerous dealership changes and most of them do not involve Saturn. Small dealerships are regularly being closed, acquired and transferred. What seems to be resulting is multiple brand mega-ownerships regardless of how many "roofs" they are sold under or manufacturers that they represent. My guess is that if it wasn't for the huge investment existing dealers have in their facilities and Federal anti-trust legislation, manufactures of most brands would radically change how their products are retailed just as the rest of the retailing world has changed over the past decade. I liked the Saturn stores the way they were in the early days but I also liked old time multi-level department stores, locally owned banks and Main St. five and tens that have also mostly disappeared. Things change in business and there isn't much anyone can do about it, especially when profits are weak.

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Hey prof, you beat me to it. I was thinking the exact same thing. I have said more than once, if your product line is going to so dependent on shared paltforms and rebadging why not just do away with all the different GM badges and brands and just call it a GM. Pick the name for the platform you think is more pleasing and marketable, Aura vs Malibu, take the Saturn and Chevrolet name off it and just call it a GM Aura and be done with it.
Because ever since it's inception GM's goal was to provide a car "for every purse and purpose." Their divisions do more than just rebadge a model. They add and delete content as necessary to compete in different price ranges and the styling is differentiated depending on the intended consumer for the brand. The styling is more differenitated more now than any time in probably the last 40 years or so at GM. There is still too much overlap at GM, and putting all the brands under one roof, would allow them to focus their offerings better and eliminate disgraceful vehicles, like the G5.

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All Saturn Facilities received a message from Mark LaNeve today stating that this story is a "gross misrepresentation" of GM's current marketing strategy ....
Honestly, I hope he's just blowing smoke. Otherwise, it would mean Saturn prefers to keep its divisional head in the sand over the loss of dealerships - and huge geographic gaps - in major market areas. Someone should write LaNeve back and ask exactly what, then, does he have planned to address their rather enormous problem in the Los Angeles area?


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I don't necessarily take the story as a ''mass consolidation of the brands,'' but as a loosening of the restriction of not letting more than one of the units operate under one roof. If a dealer is prohibited from selling selling Saturns alongside another GM unit, and that dealer is about to close shop because of that, would GM honestly prefer that the dealer just go belly up? (as has been happening often throughout the last two years?)

But I'm curious about the comment I quoted: What ''other strategies'' could there be to rectify the problem I just described?

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Because ever since it's inception GM's goal was to provide a car "for every purse and purpose." Their divisions do more than just rebadge a model. They add and delete content as necessary to compete in different price ranges and the styling is differentiated depending on the intended consumer for the brand. The styling is more differenitated more now than any time in probably the last 40 years or so at GM. There is still too much overlap at GM, and putting all the brands under one roof, would allow them to focus their offerings better and eliminate disgraceful vehicles, like the G5.
Well put - Alfred Sloan had it right from the beginning...GM just forgot about him for 30 or 40 years...

Its always good to have more choices. Platform sharing is a good thing if done well- it keeps our purchase prices down.

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And yes, the G5 is a dud...
Pontiac never skipped a beat here in Canada. The Pursuit came out the same time as the Cobalt. It was a rebadge given to Pontiac because Sunfire sales in Canada were at least 2to1 of Cavalier sales. It was a full range car, sedan and coupe. At leas in the US they pretend it's sorty sporty with only a well optioned coupe available, but there is no GXP. It only exists at all becuase Pontiac dealers were becuase they had no small cheap volume seller anymore. Well if all the dealers were together, the G5 would never have existed.

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A follow-up story with the GM clarification letter concerning dealer consolidation in urban areas is posted here:
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