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Old 08-30-2007, 12:36 PM   #1
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Default So, How's that Transmission?

I'm still shopping and the Outlook currenlty tops my list if it weren't for one thing...That darn transmission.

Everywhere I read, I hear about problems with "hunting" in the transmission and jumpy upshifting and downshifting.

Are these problems exaggerated?
Are they fixed in the 08's.
Is it possible to retro-fix an 07?

I love the car but reading about the "buttery smooth" Asin tranny in the Mazda CX-9 and the Hyundai Veracruz, has me leaning in that direction.

any thoughts?

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Old 08-30-2007, 02:06 PM   #2
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Default Re: So, How's that Transmission?

Have an '07. It's really programmed for economy, so it wants to upshift pretty early, and you can't be wimpy when you want to downshift/accelerate. If you want it to downshift, you really need to put your foot into it.

We have no issues with it hunting or being jumpy. It shifts very smoothly, you just need to be aware of the two points above.

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Old 08-30-2007, 02:12 PM   #3
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I'm still shopping and the Outlook currenlty tops my list if it weren't for one thing...That darn transmission.

Everywhere I read, I hear about problems with "hunting" in the transmission and jumpy upshifting and downshifting.

Are these problems exaggerated?
Are they fixed in the 08's.
Is it possible to retro-fix an 07?

I love the car but reading about the "buttery smooth" Asin tranny in the Mazda CX-9 and the Hyundai Veracruz, has me leaning in that direction.

any thoughts?
Aisin transmissions are vastly over-hyped. The "issues" with the 6T75E are in the programming. Once a suitable, please-everyone algorithm has been written, you'll get updated if you ask and your "hunting" complaint is verified.

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Old 08-30-2007, 02:30 PM   #4
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Aisin transmissions are vastly over-hyped. The "issues" with the 6T75E are in the programming. Once a suitable, please-everyone algorithm has been written, you'll get updated if you ask and your "hunting" complaint is verified.
I think GM has had more than enough time to figure this out. If they haven't found a suitable program its because they aren't making this much of a priority. Like any vehicle, try before you buy and if it is comfortable to drive then thats the one.

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Old 08-30-2007, 02:33 PM   #5
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I think GM has had more than enough time to figure this out.
And you've written powertrain control software for how long again?

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Old 08-30-2007, 02:45 PM   #6
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The transmission is not as bad as the reviews say. The only thing I do not care for is when you are on cruise control the trans will go to a lower gear quicker than my past cars/trucks even if you just go up a gradual slope, which means it is drinking more gas than I prefer. If the highway I am driving has alot of hills or slopes I will not use the cruise control as often. I compared the mpg when using the cruise and then not using it on the same highway that has hills and it makes a difference. Overall this vehicle has been a great choice. I averaged around 18.5 to 19 mpg around town the other day with the AC on and on a 3 hour trip last week on the interstate I averaged around 27 mpg. It all depends on how you drive it. It has a peppy engine and it is fun to have a "heavy foot" sometimes, especially in the manual shift mode.

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Old 08-30-2007, 02:51 PM   #7
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I have an 08(which already has the update) and the tranny shifts very smooth.

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Old 08-30-2007, 02:59 PM   #8
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The transmission is not as bad as the reviews say.
Most of the early reviews were done on preproduction prototypes. About the only thing that translates from those are overall impressions, not specifics.

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Old 08-30-2007, 03:53 PM   #9
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The reviews I am referring to are some of those found on different car web sites where actual customers have left reviews about their Outlook. Almost all are very positive, but some mention the transmission lag is one of the only things they wish they could change. There is a small lag, and it does shift forcibly or thrust sometimes to the lower gear, but this is a heavy vehicle as well. I have had my Outlook for 2 months now and if mine has been updated to correct the lag then I would have hated to drive the prototypes. I have driven many full size trucks, GM and Ford, and there are several that remind me of this transmission: feel and response that is. I would not trade my Outlook in for anything right now. The transmission was not a big issue once you look at the overall quality, features, price, looks, etc.

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Old 08-31-2007, 08:48 AM   #10
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Default Re: So, How's that Transmission?

With the latest trans update, has there been any change in gas milage?

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Old 09-04-2007, 03:10 PM   #11
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Default Re: So, How's that Transmission?

STOP STOP STOP it has nothing to do with trans reprogramming is avail throught dealer right now takes about .5 hr and its fine after that when in dought call YOUR DEALER AND ASK

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Old 09-04-2007, 04:06 PM   #12
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That is correct the new 07 and 08(that werent factory changed) flash is at the dealers
If your car was built after 8/1 you should be good to go

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Old 09-14-2007, 10:47 AM   #13
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STOP STOP STOP it has nothing to do with trans reprogramming is avail throught dealer right now takes about .5 hr and its fine after that when in dought call YOUR DEALER AND ASK
We have the same problem when using cruise control even on gradual slopes (downshifting too early, at times even when it seems not to be necessary, then holding that lower gear too long after the "climb" is over). This occurs on trips outside of Florida, and frankly it's hard to recreate in Florida, specifically by the dealer it seems. So the question is there a specific sympton that the GM service database has this described under/as that will retrieve the reprogamming fix? Of course, my dealer says they have never heard of this problem and it seems to be working just fine driving around the dealership on flat land.

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Old 09-14-2007, 01:51 PM   #14
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We have the same problem when using cruise control even on gradual slopes (downshifting too early, at times even when it seems not to be necessary, then holding that lower gear too long after the "climb" is over). This occurs on trips outside of Florida, and frankly it's hard to recreate in Florida, specifically by the dealer it seems. So the question is there a specific sympton that the GM service database has this described under/as that will retrieve the reprogamming fix? Of course, my dealer says they have never heard of this problem and it seems to be working just fine driving around the dealership on flat land.
I have this exact same problem. I have an 07 Outlook and any time my cruise is set to 70 mph or over, when it down shifts for an incline it will not upshift back to 6th until I hit a significant decline. Otherwise if I shave a mile off the cruise setting and then add it back in, that will force it as well. I had to re-create it for my dealer because they couldn't do it themselves. They claim the problem has been logged and I am not the only one who has logged it, so I am suprised your dealer is saying that Saturn hasn't heard of this. Anyone know if this problem is fixed yet? I have a hard time getting info from the dealer....

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Old 09-14-2007, 02:34 PM   #15
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Default Re: So, How's that Transmission?

A gentleman who appears to be one of, if not THE transmission SW developer for the Lambda platform is posting on the Acadia forum. Here is a link to all his posts:
http://www.acadiaforum.net/forum/ind...7;sa=showPosts

It appears that the issue with cruise and others have been solved in the most recent code. It is in most 08's and will be available for reflashing '07s starting this weekend. The tranny I understand will still shift up a little too early though... still trying to keep mpg's up. The new code is supposed to make the vehicle feel much more smooth and responsive.

Check it out...

(I appreciate GM Engineering being this participative!)

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Thanks, thats very good news indeed. If that fixes my problem, then all my major problems with this vehicle will be solved....

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Old 09-17-2007, 08:09 AM   #17
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Default Re: So, How's that Transmission?

Does the tow/haul button make a difference in any of this? If someone wants the thing to hold hears longer, I would think they could put it in tow mode.

Also, for those that get the downshift on slight uphill runs, but then it won't shift back up to 6th, if you hit the tow button on, then off again, will this reset the processor? Still an annoyance, but easier than manually shifting, or reducing speed then speeding up again.

Just a thought!

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Old 09-17-2007, 08:40 AM   #18
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Does the tow/haul button make a difference in any of this? If someone wants the thing to hold hears longer, I would think they could put it in tow mode.

Also, for those that get the downshift on slight uphill runs, but then it won't shift back up to 6th, if you hit the tow button on, then off again, will this reset the processor? Still an annoyance, but easier than manually shifting, or reducing speed then speeding up again.

Just a thought!
I have the newest program and on my 08 and it will try and downshift still when going up hill. I have just learned i have to push the pedal harder and once i let off it goes back into 6th. After a couple of times it is so automatic now for me i dont even realize i am doing it

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Old 09-20-2007, 09:51 PM   #19
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Found on the Acadia Forums...

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Bulletin #07217A appeared today in GM Messenger at your local dealership announcing a "Customer Satisfaction Program". Applicable customers will receive a mailing announcing availability of the new calibration.

The subject of the bulletin is the availability of a recalibration for: "Certain 2007-08 model year GMC Acadia; Saturn Outlook; and 2008 model year Buick Enclave model vehicles may have customer complaints about drivability, particularly hesitation and shift busyness."

The bulletin specifies dealers/retailers are to reprogram the engine control module (ECM) AND the transmission control module (TCM).

The software appears to have become available for MY2007 vehicles in TIS 2 Web on 09/16/07; MY2008 vehicles on 8/19/07. TIS 2 Web is where technicians get the latest calibrations for download to the Tech2 tool over the internet. The Tech2 then is used to upload the software into the appropriate control module on the vehicle. A dealership may also receive updates via periodic DVD updates which, of course, is not as timely as use of the web update method.

The polite thing, at this point, would be for somebody to offer to buy me a beer. :beer:

I accept. Oldest brewery in America - cool. :cheers:

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Old 09-22-2007, 08:33 AM   #20
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This is in line with how GM did the 4 speeds when they came out. Durable but everyone hated driving them. By the time they had several years under their belt, they had been developed to be better than most. The General has never been known for getting it right the first try but they improve on things every year. This has been going on since I was first into cars (Allante, Fiero) and continues today (6 speed, interior of Vette, vibration in DI 3.6). Some companies have their way of doing things and this is it for GM. The good news is that it is probably very durable - just not that nice to drive. I would guess that each time they do a release and each model year it will get better and better. If they live up to their tranny history, we will probably read in '09 that this is the standard for transmissions.

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