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Old 10-11-2019, 06:47 AM   #1
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Default 2007 Saturn Ion 2.2L Fuel/Evap System Issue?

I have two separate issues that started on the same day. First off, my car is dying on idle, the rpm jumps a bit, sometimes it powers through for a bit, sometimes it just dies. Either way, if it idles long enough, it will die. Starts right back up no problem, though. I've read enough that it seems like an issue with the fuel injectors, so I've got some being shipped out and then we'll see.

The other issue, which is a little more perplexing, every time I fuel up the car, it doesn't start. If I just turn the key it'll crank indefinitely, but will start if I pump the gas a little. Aside from the dying on idle thing, it runs and starts up just fine after that, never another issue until fueling up again. For this, I tested with the gas cap off, and after taking the cap off and putting it back on, and it does not replicate the issue, so it seems to be specifically from the fuel up.

There is a bit of part swap history leading up to this, starting with a code P0446. For background, the previous owners apparently lived on a gravel road, because everything not sealed was very dusty. When I pulled the evap vent valve solenoid it was caked in dust, so I popped in a new one. Had a code P0442 after this, changed the gas cap. Code persisted, so I changed the evap purge valve solenoid. That's when the issues began, starting with the car not starting after fuel up. Really seemed like a fuel filter issue at first so I changed that to no avail. Instead of clearing the code after I changed the purge valve solenoid, I decided to see if it went away on its own (it didn't), so after changing the fuel filter doesn't help, I check again and it's still P0442 and now P0446 again. I pull the vent valve solenoid, it's all dusty because I had no wherewithal to blow out the plug hole when I changed it before. I blast em both (the solenoid and plug hole) with compressed air, put it back, and clear the codes. I also changed the oil and spark plugs in preparation for asking for advice. The check engine light hasn't come back on (it's only been a week, though) but the other issues persist, and here we are today.

When the code P0446 first came up, I noticed an initial loss of about 3MPG (I have a detailed spreadsheet for miles each time I fuel up) but other than that there was no notable difference in performance from then until the purge valve solenoid was changed. As it is for many, my dad is my mechanic wingman, and he's absolutely perplexed by the situation, which is why I've turned here, so if anyone has any idea, I'd appreciate hearing it!

Thanks all, Dan

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Old 10-11-2019, 04:11 PM   #2
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Default Re: 2007 Saturn Ion 2.2L Fuel/Evap System Issue?

With the check engine light off and several days of driving, what do you mean by other issues?

Mileage, maintenance done, engine related parts replaced in addition to fuel filter, plugs, purge and vent valve? Was the throttle body cleaned? Is there a maf sensor (between air filter and throttle body) that may need to be cleaned?

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Old 10-11-2019, 11:47 PM   #3
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Default Re: 2007 Saturn Ion 2.2L Fuel/Evap System Issue?

Try taking the purge valve off the car and see if you can blow air through it, you should not be able to. It should be in a mechanically closed position. It's possible you may have two issues, sometimes the vent solenoids do go bad. Can you apply power and ground to the pins on it to see if it clicks? If it were me, I would check the purge valve first as mentioned though, maybe that is causing the vent issue.

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Old 11-06-2019, 08:15 AM   #4
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With the check engine light off and several days of driving, what do you mean by other issues?
The issues I was experiencing at time of posting are the ones outlined in the first and second paragraph. I performed routine maintenance to cover my bases before posting here, but that had no bearing on the problems being experienced.

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Try taking the purge valve off the car and see if you can blow air through it, you should not be able to. It should be in a mechanically closed position. It's possible you may have two issues, sometimes the vent solenoids do go bad. Can you apply power and ground to the pins on it to see if it clicks? If it were me, I would check the purge valve first as mentioned though, maybe that is causing the vent issue.
So it took me a while to get back here (I may have forgotten about posting here...) but I did check the purge valve. I couldn't blow through either end of it, but I accidentally broke a stem off one side taking the hose off it (still not sure why it was stuck with lock off) so I had to replace it anyways. The one I got from Autozone could be blown through on the end with the connector, but my two major issues totally went away. The engine light came back on with the P0446 code but I'll take that over the car being near undriveable.

It's the holiday season, so money is getting tight (mainly why I was so busy that I forgot about posting here), but I wanted to give a status update for posterity. I plan on trying to get another properly functioning purge valve down the line here and see if I can't figure out what was going wrong.

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Was the throttle body cleaned? Is there a maf sensor (between air filter and throttle body) that may need to be cleaned?
Planning on checking this out today. If it's dirty and cleaning it makes a marked difference, I'll report back. Otherwise, it'll probably be a couple of months before I have some extra cash for experimenting.

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Old 01-03-2020, 10:46 AM   #5
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On the 06 Ion I just bought, the check engine light stays on all the time. No big deal, I figured, since the car runs so well. It never dies. Never stalls, hesitates, loses power, or anything else. Seems to get super good MPG, a lot better than the SL2 I just sold. But I checked the codes. Twice! Cleared them both times, but the check engine light always comes on. Well, the 2 codes I'm getting are 0446 and 0441, both having to do with the EVAP system. It's been pretty wet and cold and miserable around here lately, so I haven't gotten around to crawling under the car to check anything, but first nice dry day we get, I will. One thing I read on a few online sites was to check or replace the gas cap, which I plan to do anyway because I'm NOT a fan of a car with no way to lock the gas cap or the door.

The only thing so annoying about my check engine light being on all the time is that it's directly next to the battery light, which is also on all the time! TWO lights is more annoying than one!

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Old 01-07-2020, 12:54 PM   #6
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I'm guessing MY check engine light hasn't been coming on for very long before I got this car, only because the first few days I drove it, it got super good gas mileage! Much better than my 97 SL2 did. BUT, over the last few days or more, I'm starting to notice the car getting worse and worse gas mileage! SO, I'm guessing whatever might be plugged or not working is causing other stuff to not do what they're supposed to do. Still getting the DTC's of 0441 and 0446 though.

Looks to me like all the EVAP stuff like solenoids and valves are pretty easy to get at, so this should be easier to check than my dreaded battery light being on!

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Old 01-17-2020, 10:43 AM   #7
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PROBLEM SOLVED! Check Engine Light now OFF! And it was SO simple! Really! Some of you may get a chuckle out of this one!

So... after getting out my handy code reader and checking the codes on this fancy new 06 Ion, I came up with two codes: P0411 and P0446. Nothing major, just Secondary Air Injection Incorrect Flow Detected for the 0411 and Evaporative Emission System Vent Control Circuit for the 0446. Well, being the mechanic of 40 years that I am (LOL!), I set about Googling those codes and how to fix them! Of course, every website and video said the first thing to check is your gas cap, but it looked okay so I went ahead and started checking everything else.

I pulled the Secondary Air Injection Solenoid to see if it was plugged with carbon but it looked like new! I never did crawl under the car in the rain or snow to locat and check the Secondary Air Injection Pump, but figured I would check that last.

I then watched a ton of videos where cars got these same codes, mostly the 0411. They showed what to check; the Vapor Cannister Purge Valve, and the Fuel Tank Pressure Sensor. I pulled them both and tested them with voltage and they were fine. Even used an ohm meter. Both okay. SSSSOooo...

Still scratching my head as I walked around the wrecking yard yesterday checking out Saturn Ion's looking for one with the dash half torn apart so I could snag a Blend Door Actuator, I started looking at gas caps. They all looked well-worn and dirty like mine, so I left them. I already have one with a dirty o-ring. But then I finally found a brand new aftermarket one someone put on an Ion! They person who had that car was so lazy, they left the original gas cap still attached, just shoved it to the side! Anyway, there was one that looked brand new, so yes, I grabbed it. Only $2 so it was a bargain.

Before I started my car to leave the wrecking yard, I plugged in my code reader, cleared the codes, and installed the new gas cap. MAGIC: NO CODES! And the codes never came back the rest of the day and not even after several cold starts, not even this morning when it was around freezing out!

So, the moral of this story is this: take the advice of every website and video you find when it comes to P0411 and P0446Ö CHECK and/or REPLACE your gas cap FIRST, before wasting weeks checking and testing everything else! Yep, I feel foolish, but then when youíre in your 60ís, and drink as much beer as I do, sometimes you donít think so clearly.

Just glad the CEL is off. Now I only need to get that darn battery light to go off and this world will be a better place to live!

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