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Old 07-06-2016, 10:14 PM   #1
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In my 05 Redline Vue I'm having issue's with lack of power. Has new plugs, air filter, 2 new upstream O2's, timing belt/water pump, t-stat, radiator and such. No codes or power loss light, it just runs weak.
I did give it a shot and killed the power to the ecm for 20min to reset the fuel trims and such then went for a drive and it felt way better. But after a half hour was back to it's old way after relearning

Don't think it's the cat's cause unplugging the ecm wouldn't have an effect of that. Any idea's?

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Old 07-06-2016, 10:25 PM   #2
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What's is total miles and miles since last shot of fresh fluid in the transmission? ANy maintenance history for the trans?

Are your front brakes dragging due to rusted flex lines- you're in the Salt Belt...

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Old 07-07-2016, 12:21 AM   #3
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Just flipped 122k and trans has been serviced a few times since 100k. It's a Florida car originally so only one winter and no rust to speak of. All four brakes were done this past spring. All engine maintenance has been done except for the valve lash (haven't gotten around to it)

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Old 07-07-2016, 08:26 AM   #4
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Just flipped 122k and trans has been serviced a few times since 100k.
So what is the maintenance history?

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Old 07-07-2016, 04:20 PM   #5
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Three fluid drop and changes since 100k. That's it for trans

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Old 07-07-2016, 04:37 PM   #6
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So when was it a strong runner?

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Old 07-07-2016, 04:40 PM   #7
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except for the valve lash (haven't gotten around to it)
I hope the exhaust valves aren't burn't up. I wouldn't avoid a maintenance item like that.

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Old 07-07-2016, 04:45 PM   #8
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Three fluid drop and changes since 100k. That's it for trans
That's a good thing, and with the newer DW1 fluid.

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Old 07-07-2016, 04:53 PM   #9
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So when was it a strong runner?
Couple months ago

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Old 07-07-2016, 04:55 PM   #10
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I hope the exhaust valves aren't burn't up. I wouldn't avoid a maintenance item like that.
Just curious, why would the valves burn from being a little out of adjustment? Back in my first post I mentioned that if I reset the ecm the motor runs better, but after it relearns it drops off some.

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Old 07-07-2016, 05:00 PM   #11
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Just curious, why would the valves burn from being a little out of adjustment? .
Because they get tighter- not looser- as they sink in to the head. Primarily, the exhaust valves wear the most.

When there's no more lash, any more wear on the valve seats/valve faces results in blowby when there shouldn't be.

VAlves burn=compression loss=your complaint

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Old 07-07-2016, 05:04 PM   #12
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2 new upstream O2's,
Don't think it's the cat's
If the old o2's were ferkakta for too long, they could have compromised the cat's.

Others, in these forums, have mentioned pulling the sensor(s) in order to relieve backpressure due to cogged cat(s)- as a troubleshooting test.

If it just gets noiser ,with no power gain, go fish.

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Old 07-07-2016, 05:08 PM   #13
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Couple months ago
It gradually got slower, or was it pathetic, all of a sudden?

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Old 07-07-2016, 05:13 PM   #14
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That's a good thing, and with the newer DW1 fluid.
Yep, DW-1 fluid

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Old 07-07-2016, 05:15 PM   #15
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It gradually got slower, or was it pathetic, all of a sudden?
More gradual

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Old 07-07-2016, 05:19 PM   #16
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A compression test is in order.

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More gradual
Monte0 ... try a couple of simple things - I suggest you eliminate items that could be increasing rolling resistance such as binding brakes, worn wheel bearings, under inflated tires, etc.

Find a nice roomy flat area and zoom up to around 20 mph - then push gear shift to neutral and let the Vue coast. You would expect to eventually coast to a smooth stop ... if steering pulls toward one direction or if its clear something is bringing you to a stop too soon - investigate the possibilities.

If there's not a roll-out problem then there could be a drivetrain problem but one isn't likely if trouble codes aren't being set ... so, has the Service Engine Soon light ever been ON?

Here are a few other key questions:

1. Is gas mileage much worse now?
2. Have you changed fuel brands?
3. Is the coolant temp gauge still in same basic range?
4. Do you have lots of heavy cargo in the Vue?
5. Can you go from 0 to 60 mph in around 7 seconds?***

*** Pay attention when tach is in range 4,400 to 6,500 RPM as you should notice an increase in power when VTEC selects the second high lift intake cam lobe.

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Old 07-17-2016, 08:52 AM   #18
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I just did all the brakes including new wheel cylinders and calipers. Never had a check engine light and their isn't any rolling resistance. No cargo, fuel the same too and ran injection cleaner too. Temp is good except it gets hotter on the x-way plus it has a new t-stat, radiator, hoses and coolant.

Have noticed the vtec doesn't really kick in consistently. And when I went on a long drive from NY to Michigan and back it picked up power again. Then lost it a few days after getting home.

I did find something odd when I did a though check over yesterday though, one coil pack out of 6 is brown inside and theirs no oil leaks at all so. I have no misfires but thinking of changing it anyways.
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THe brown one looks like it was sitting in water, ( or arcing). Is there a silicone/rubber grommet at the top? Use dielectric grease?

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Old 07-17-2016, 12:06 PM   #20
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Seals are all intact and not oil or residue in the plug hole. I'm thinking this might be my power issue I've been chasing. Going to get a new coil pack today and post back my results.

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