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Old 07-31-2010, 12:36 PM   #1
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Default Dashboard Warning -Exclamation Point (on the RPM meter?)

Hey everyone!

I was hoping somone could be of assistance - I have a 08 Saturn VUE, and the last week I've had a orange-ish yellow warning light on my dashboard (it sort of looks like this { ! } .

I was just curious if anyone knows what this relates to? I just wanted to get some feedback before I take it in to a dealer - because lets be honest, I don't much about cars and don't really want to get the run around....

It's an 08 Redline Vue, runs perfectly fine and haven't noticed any change in performance....

Any assistance is appreciated!

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Old 07-31-2010, 01:17 PM   #2
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Does it look like this?



If so it could be as simple as your parking brake handle isn't completely down...

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Old 08-07-2010, 03:08 PM   #3
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interesting...i just checked and the parking brake is all the way down. i saw that parking light as well, its red on my dashboard and says BRAKE underneath. the symbol you posted below is similar to what i have on my dashboard, except the symbol is closed on the bottom...

i should probably just take in to the shop... we are driving up the coast to napa valley on tuesday for our honeymoon...hate to have it break down then :/

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Old 08-07-2010, 03:26 PM   #4
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looks like its a tire pressure warning....
see page 168:

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at least one tire is 25 percent low. fill it up and light will go out

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Old 12-21-2017, 12:32 AM   #6
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Anyone else? This has just started showing up on mine - coincidentally it seems to pop up (shortly) when I have slippage/spinning here in Minnesota now there is snow/ice/slicker roads.

Does it have anything to do with that?

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Check your owner's manual. Most likely your brake fluid level is low. If this is the case, it would also be a good idea to check the wear on your brake pads.

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It's a traction thing. The owner's manual explains that.

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Anyone else? This has just started showing up on mine - coincidentally it seems to pop up (shortly) when I have slippage/spinning here in Minnesota now there is snow/ice/slicker roads.

Does it have anything to do with that?
You're describing a traction control reaction to slipping wheels if you have abs. While many cannot understand this, traction control is the opposite of abs. Braking on slippery surfaces makes one or more wheels lock up and forces abs to control braking. Traction control does the exact opposite, removing throttle and if necessary, braking the slipping wheel so the drive wheels move at the same speed instead of one trying to speed up and slip. Traction control indicators come in several symbols depending on who's designing the 'idiot' light. The word 'traction', a symbol of the bottom wheel with squiggly lines under it, the exclamation sign, etc..

To those unfamiliar with idiot lights, the brake light, always in red, indicates one of two issues - either the parking brake is pulled up and isn't released or brake fluid is low. Many assume low brake fluid means topping off the brake master cylinder when it's more likely the brakes are worn and need service.

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Old 01-22-2018, 08:13 PM   #10
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You're describing a traction control reaction to slipping wheels if you have abs. While many cannot understand this, traction control is the opposite of abs. Braking on slippery surfaces makes one or more wheels lock up and forces abs to control braking. Traction control does the exact opposite, removing throttle and if necessary, braking the slipping wheel so the drive wheels move at the same speed instead of one trying to speed up and slip. Traction control indicators come in several symbols depending on who's designing the 'idiot' light. The word 'traction', a symbol of the bottom wheel with squiggly lines under it, the exclamation sign, etc..

To those unfamiliar with idiot lights, the brake light, always in red, indicates one of two issues - either the parking brake is pulled up and isn't released or brake fluid is low. Many assume low brake fluid means topping off the brake master cylinder when it's more likely the brakes are worn and need service.
When I accelerate (when stuck in snow) the rpms go down to almost below 1 and the car almost dies out.


Is this a BAD traction thing or another that I am unaware of? I have only owned this VUE for this Winter so I am not familiar with how it is supposed to run (healthy) or not.

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1-Update your profile so your car stats shows up under your name otherwise we have to play twenty questions (year, model, engine size), add mileage and any other items pertinent to your questions so anyone here has a perspective of what you have.

2-Presuming you have abs and traction control, losing throttle (deliberately reduced by abs/tc electronics when necessary) while attempting to accelerate in wet, icy, oily conditions not conducive to all four wheels having traction is the basis of traction control. Its the electronics determining we don't know how to drive safely. ABS determines when one wheel is slowing down faster than the other three. Traction control does exactly the same but monitors the front wheels providing traction. If one wheel spins faster than the other drive wheel, tc takes over and tries ramping up electronics to slow down the engine - reducing ignition timing, reducing throttle (if a drive by wire throttle is used) and finally braking the drive wheel that's spinning faster than the other wheel. By braking while accelerating, this prevents losing traction on slippery surfaces since the faster drive wheel doesn't have traction. In effect, you're attempting to spin the drive wheels against known facts that it doesn't work for one main reason - differential xmissions have one weakness in their design, they always drive the wheel that doesn't have traction. The good wheel that's not spinning never gets engine power to drive the vehicle forward (or backward) so the vehicle ends up spinning the wheel that's already slipping. Traction control eliminates this from occurring but at some cost - you lose control in your right foot as tc takes over engine power and controls traction for acceleration in slippery situations.

Traction control has limited use depending on driving experience. It can be said that inexperienced drivers may benefit from tc by their cautious nature of driving slowly in poor weather conditions. Tc can help these drivers. Experienced drivers presuming they know how to drive tends to accelerate by mashing throttle, applying more power than needed to get out of an icy rut or find themselves slipping on wet/snowy/icy surfaces when accelerating from a dead stop. This situation of applying too much engine power simply lets the drive wheels spin in cars without abs/tc and spinning out is a result unless a driver realizes the error. With ABS/TC the electronics detects the spinning wheel immediately and does everything to slow it down, removing engine power if necessary to allow both drive wheels equal tracton. If not familiar with traction control, this can be an abrupt surprise to suddenly lose power with the only indication that abs/tc has taken control of engine power to the wheels by turning on one indicator. This is normal behavior until you find the time to 'learn how to drive all over again' with traction control. On the other hand, if you do not want tc, there's usually a button to press to disable it but it must be disabled every time ignition is turned on because tc is automatically enabled when ignition is turned on. Manually disabling it allows a driver to determine whether tc is needed or not but its automatically enabled when ignition is turned on.

More experienced drivers never use traction control, never disable it and know when wheels lose traction in almost every situation. If you are at all a reader, you may be familiar with 'Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance'. Using the title of this paperback, one can use a slightly different phraseology - Zen and the art of driving in all weather conditions. How does one learn how to drive in all weather conditions? Practice, practice and more practice, with or without abs/tc. If you know how to drive, abs and tc aren't needed.

To appreciate traction control and its positive or negative characteristics is to set aside time on a slick, icy, snowy wet parking lot free of cars and light posts within a few hundred feet of where you want to let loose. The best conditions to feel traction control and when it comes on is on very icy, slick flat surfaces where you know losing traction is guaranteed whether braking or accelerating. When flooring the pedal to at least half throttle or more, the combination of abs/tc being enabled and slick surfaces will easily allow wheel spinning but traction control will detect it immediately to prevent wheel spinning - the faster spinning wheel is compared to the slower wheel electronically and is determined to lose traction where electronics takes over to slow the engine down, removing power as necessary until both wheels are turning the same speed where its presumed equal traction is getting the car up to speed. Try it a few times to get a feel when tc takes over and determine whether you want tc or not. Press a button to disable it at any time while testing. Disable it to see what happens when trying to flat foot it and see what happens. Learning in a safe setting is easier without distractions.

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Old 01-23-2018, 12:32 AM   #12
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1-Update your profile so your car stats shows up under your name otherwise we have to play twenty questions (year, model, engine size), add mileage and any other items pertinent to your questions so anyone here has a perspective of what you have.

2-Presuming you have abs and traction control, losing throttle (deliberately reduced by abs/tc electronics when necessary) while attempting to accelerate in wet, icy, oily conditions not conducive to all four wheels having traction is the basis of traction control. Its the electronics determining we don't know how to drive safely. ABS determines when one wheel is slowing down faster than the other three. Traction control does exactly the same but monitors the front wheels providing traction. If one wheel spins faster than the other drive wheel, tc takes over and tries ramping up electronics to slow down the engine - reducing ignition timing, reducing throttle (if a drive by wire throttle is used) and finally braking the drive wheel that's spinning faster than the other wheel. By braking while accelerating, this prevents losing traction on slippery surfaces since the faster drive wheel doesn't have traction. In effect, you're attempting to spin the drive wheels against known facts that it doesn't work for one main reason - differential xmissions have one weakness in their design, they always drive the wheel that doesn't have traction. The good wheel that's not spinning never gets engine power to drive the vehicle forward (or backward) so the vehicle ends up spinning the wheel that's already slipping. Traction control eliminates this from occurring but at some cost - you lose control in your right foot as tc takes over engine power and controls traction for acceleration in slippery situations.

Traction control has limited use depending on driving experience. It can be said that inexperienced drivers may benefit from tc by their cautious nature of driving slowly in poor weather conditions. Tc can help these drivers. Experienced drivers presuming they know how to drive tends to accelerate by mashing throttle, applying more power than needed to get out of an icy rut or find themselves slipping on wet/snowy/icy surfaces when accelerating from a dead stop. This situation of applying too much engine power simply lets the drive wheels spin in cars without abs/tc and spinning out is a result unless a driver realizes the error. With ABS/TC the electronics detects the spinning wheel immediately and does everything to slow it down, removing engine power if necessary to allow both drive wheels equal tracton. If not familiar with traction control, this can be an abrupt surprise to suddenly lose power with the only indication that abs/tc has taken control of engine power to the wheels by turning on one indicator. This is normal behavior until you find the time to 'learn how to drive all over again' with traction control. On the other hand, if you do not want tc, there's usually a button to press to disable it but it must be disabled every time ignition is turned on because tc is automatically enabled when ignition is turned on. Manually disabling it allows a driver to determine whether tc is needed or not but its automatically enabled when ignition is turned on.

More experienced drivers never use traction control, never disable it and know when wheels lose traction in almost every situation. If you are at all a reader, you may be familiar with 'Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance'. Using the title of this paperback, one can use a slightly different phraseology - Zen and the art of driving in all weather conditions. How does one learn how to drive in all weather conditions? Practice, practice and more practice, with or without abs/tc. If you know how to drive, abs and tc aren't needed.

To appreciate traction control and its positive or negative characteristics is to set aside time on a slick, icy, snowy wet parking lot free of cars and light posts within a few hundred feet of where you want to let loose. The best conditions to feel traction control and when it comes on is on very icy, slick flat surfaces where you know losing traction is guaranteed whether braking or accelerating. When flooring the pedal to at least half throttle or more, the combination of abs/tc being enabled and slick surfaces will easily allow wheel spinning but traction control will detect it immediately to prevent wheel spinning - the faster spinning wheel is compared to the slower wheel electronically and is determined to lose traction where electronics takes over to slow the engine down, removing power as necessary until both wheels are turning the same speed where its presumed equal traction is getting the car up to speed. Try it a few times to get a feel when tc takes over and determine whether you want tc or not. Press a button to disable it at any time while testing. Disable it to see what happens when trying to flat foot it and see what happens. Learning in a safe setting is easier without distractions.
Definitely sounds like some of the issues I'm experiencing. Thank you sir for the post. It was very much obliged.

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"I was hoping somone could be of assistance - I have a 08 Saturn VUE, and the last week I've had a orange-ish yellow warning light on my dashboard (it sort of looks like this { ! } ."

If there is anything I learned as a kid watching Saturday morning cartoons, it's {!} means there is a Roadrunner nearby. That or a falling anvil.

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