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Old 04-10-2006, 04:18 PM   #1
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Default New way to "change" Power Sterring Fluid

Today I found a new and more efficient way to to change out the power steering fluid in the reservoir. I was going to try the turkey baster method until I found that we threw out the old on. Then I thought of using the top to a spray bottle (such as found on windex etc) and it ended up working very well. I rinsed out the sprayer with a lot of water and then stuck the hose end into the reservoir and squirted the old fluid into an old oil bottle. I got out about out a little less than .25 qt, but it only took about 5 minutes and I didn't spill a drop. I'll probably do it again next week too to try and get more of the old fluid out.

BTW i refilled with Valvoline High Mileage ATF. I had some left over from my last tranny fluid change so I'll see how it hold up in the PS system.

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Old 04-10-2006, 04:51 PM   #2
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Default Re: New way to "change" Power Sterring Fluid

I'm surprised you used ATF.

What is the difference between ATF and PS Fluid?

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Old 04-10-2006, 05:17 PM   #3
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Default Re: New way to "change" Power Sterring Fluid

why? the majority of PS fluid IS ATF. The only cars that i know of that you cannot use ATF in the power steering is Audi's, as they hate ATF in their PS pumps

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Old 04-10-2006, 09:08 PM   #4
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Old 04-10-2006, 09:41 PM   #5
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Default Re: New way to "change" Power Sterring Fluid

Why would you use automatic transaxle fluid in the power steering reservoir instead of power steering fluid?
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Most people at one time or another have encountered a power steering problem with either a power steering pump, hoses, gear box, or rack and pinion. Failures could be anything from noise, leaks, or stiffness when first starting the car. Power steering fluid is designed for power steering systems, different manufacturers sometimes require different fluids. Under NO conditions is ATF to be used in power steering systems. The pressure in a power steering system on hard turns is much higher than that in an automatic transmission under load. Power steering fluid is clear in color. Power steering fluid turns dark because of heat created by the high pressure when held in hard turns. ATF will become very hot under loads and start to break down causing electrochemical degradation, this also happens with power steering fluid but not as fast was with ATF. Once this process starts, your power steering pump and rack & pinion begin to clog with sludge and varnish deposits. The sludge and varnish can cause stiffness, leaks, or complete system failures.

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Old 04-10-2006, 09:43 PM   #6
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Default Re: New way to "change" Power Sterring Fluid

because most powersteering fluid IS automatic transmission fluid.

maybe not exact, but its chemical structure is alike, so its safe to use. Look on the back of a bottle of ATF and a bottle of PS fluid, you'll see they're almost alike

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Old 04-10-2006, 10:20 PM   #7
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Most manufactures are going to atf in the p/s system. Thats one less diffrent fluid they ahve to keep in the factory. Alot of asian cars do it and chrysler is getting big into it now
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Old 04-10-2006, 11:50 PM   #8
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Most people at one time or another have encountered a power steering problem with either a power steering pump, hoses, gear box, or rack and pinion. Failures could be anything from noise, leaks, or stiffness when first starting the car. Power steering fluid is designed for power steering systems, different manufacturers sometimes require different fluids. Under NO conditions is ATF to be used in power steering systems. The pressure in a power steering system on hard turns is much higher than that in an automatic transmission under load. Power steering fluid is clear in color. Power steering fluid turns dark because of heat created by the high pressure when held in hard turns. ATF will become very hot under loads and start to break down causing electrochemical degradation, this also happens with power steering fluid but not as fast was with ATF. Once this process starts, your power steering pump and rack & pinion begin to clog with sludge and varnish deposits. The sludge and varnish can cause stiffness, leaks, or complete system failures.
Anybody that thinks the powersteering system of a car runs hotter than the automatic transaxle does is deluding themselves. With few exceptions, ATF can be used in powersteering systems (especially synthetic ATF which I specifically recommend) can be used in place of ATF and will perform as well if not better and for longer.

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Old 04-11-2006, 02:15 AM   #9
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Default Re: New way to "change" Power Sterring Fluid

just to add, audis and vws can't use atf or ps because they share the power steering and clutch systems off the same hydraulic system; the seals they use are designed for higher pressures and require different lubrication. Thus you need to run lucas oil in them ( NOT the same as the lucas additive). While the fluid is very expensive I've achieved 450,000 miles on a pump, so it must work. The lucas oil is more of a non compressible lubricant whereas atf is more of a non compressible solvent.

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Old 04-11-2006, 08:35 PM   #10
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Default Re: New way to "change" Power Sterring Fluid

So it's OK to use Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF in our 2000 SL1 power steering? The book lists some GM fluid.

The newer Audis and VWs do not use power steering fluid for the clutch, they use the brake fluid. VW fluid is a mineral fluid and putting ATF in there will really cause problems.

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