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Old 02-16-2005, 03:26 PM   #1
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I was wondering, what is meant by a muffler bent up. I plan to get an exhaust put on real soon, but I need to know would it be cheaper to go on ebay and get one, or just got one of the little shops and have them put it on and install it. Any feedback would be great. Thanks.

Also do you think a 5 speed 1999 saturn sl1 would beat a 1995 5 speed grand am.

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Old 02-16-2005, 03:51 PM   #2
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I was wondering, what is meant by a muffler bent up. I plan to get an exhaust put on real soon, but I need to know would it be cheaper to go on ebay and get one, or just got one of the little shops and have them put it on and install it. Any feedback would be great. Thanks.
Have one custom-made by a decent shop. For your application, it will do great.

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Also do you think a 5 speed 1999 saturn sl1 would beat a 1995 5 speed grand am.
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Old 02-16-2005, 05:31 PM   #3
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As far as the 99 SL1m beating the 95 Grand Am 5speed. I'm guessing he's got the SE model, which is probably the quad 4...about 150hp at the crank. Even with an extra 400-500 lbs on his car, I think he'll still beat you. If he had the auto (3-speed), then you'd have a better shot, but still would lose I think). If he's got the GT or SE with the 3.1L V6, then you can definately forget it. It puts out just a little more than the quad 4, but it's enough to keep you away even with the added weight of the V6.

So go ahead and try, but it won't happen. Good luck.

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Old 02-17-2005, 10:16 AM   #4
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I roasted the livin SHIOT out of my friend's '95 grand am SE (4 cyl)
It's an auto...

Of course I have a DOHC 5 speed.
He claims he beat an SC1 5 speed (1st gen, coulda been TBI)

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Old 02-17-2005, 10:31 AM   #5
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differences...he has auto (probably 3-speed..i had a 91 grand am le 3-speed auto...very slow car) and you have a dohc 5 speed...hmmm yeah, you'll kick his ass

now if it's a SOHC 5 speed, that's about 15 to 20 less hp (possibly more compared to the DOHC)...and since he wants to see how he'll do against a 5 speed GA, that's quicker than an auto (3 or 4-speed)

the only way to know for sure is to try, but i still have doubts...if its a quad 4 or 3.1L V6, I think he'll lose, if they used something like the tech 4 in 95 (which is a 2.4L i think....don't recall...anyway, tech 4 puts out about 110 to maybe 120 at the crank)..then yeah he'll win because the weight advantage is the biggest factor even though the other guy might have an extra 5 or 10 hp on him....but since i think they only had a v6 or the quad 4, the best he can hope for is that his buddy winds up losing the quad 4 (notorious for head gasket problems)

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Old 02-17-2005, 11:18 AM   #6
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he has a 2.4L auto...saw it myself

I was quite happy with how far behind he was.

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Old 02-17-2005, 11:44 AM   #7
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well there you go...i had that in my 91 Grand Am LE and it's slow as ****

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I agree........

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Old 02-17-2005, 12:44 PM   #9
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My friends Grand AM, is not in the best conditon plus he doesnt know how to drive manually that well, so I am sure he is gonna kill his clutch real quick, so I am sure in the prelims I will have him, but is there anything I can do to keep an edge.

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The Quad 4 returns!

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