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Old 06-18-2016, 10:38 AM   #1
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Default 2004 Vue Shifts Frequently

Hey,

It's been a while since I've been on here, fortunately that's due to a lack of need. 257k on the sc2.

Anyways, I have a 2004 Vue (Honda engine and transmission obviously) and I cannot figure its behavior out. Around town it drives fine, but when we get on the freeway and set cruise control to 70, it will downshift 1 or 2 gears at the slightest incline, going from 1800 RPMs to 2500 or 3200(ish). It shifts smooth, and drives fine below those speeds, but I've never had a car that would shift gears like that while there's no additional load on it.

My question is simple. Is this normal behavior? As long as it's not causing premature wear/failure of the transmission, I don't really mind. But I'd rather replace a valve body or torque converter now than a whole transmission in 6 months.

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Old 06-18-2016, 01:45 PM   #2
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Hey,

It's been a while since I've been on here, fortunately that's due to a lack of need. 257k on the sc2.

Anyways, I have a 2004 Vue (Honda engine and transmission obviously) and I cannot figure its behavior out. Around town it drives fine, but when we get on the freeway and set cruise control to 70, it will downshift 1 or 2 gears at the slightest incline, going from 1800 RPMs to 2500 or 3200(ish). It shifts smooth, and drives fine below those speeds, but I've never had a car that would shift gears like that while there's no additional load on it.

My question is simple. Is this normal behavior? As long as it's not causing premature wear/failure of the transmission, I don't really mind. But I'd rather replace a valve body or torque converter now than a whole transmission in 6 months.

Thanks!
-Zaen
You could blame it on: (1) 3.5 power band, (2) gearing, and (3) failure of cruise control (CC) to anticipate grade changes. Wouldn't that be a nice feature?

We have four 3.5 Vue's in family (05, 06 and two 07) and all do this to some extent.

I'm not sure they do so on "slightest" incline and I've found my 07 does less downshifting if I run at 75 mph (2000 RPM).

Speaking for my Vue - the first downshift is torque converter unlocking and the second is gear change from 5th to 4th.

I recall a few complaints through the years from owners saying they don't use CC because of happy shifting ... and some using CC will add a bit of speed before grade change to reduce shifting.

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Old 06-18-2016, 04:54 PM   #3
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HOw many miles on the fluid?

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Old 06-18-2016, 06:10 PM   #4
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far2grumpy:

I hear the self-driving cars are working on that. I doubt there'll ever be a retrofit kit for the Vue, not that I'd ever want it.

I'm glad to hear it's "normal" to a degree. I made the comment about the slightest incline because they are NOT big hills by any stretch, but it does have to be a noticeable incline before it kicks in. I've just never driven an automatic that would downshift so easily.

I also couldn't guarantee that it is two downshifts, that was just an assumption. I'd have to do the math on the gear ratios to know, but I'd assume you're correct about the first one being the torque converter unlocking.

billysvue:

We got the Vue about 10k ago. According to the P.O., it had been done less than 10k before that. So theoretically less than 20, and the fluid looks like it too, in my non-professional opinion. My concern was just the frequent shifting might be causing premature wear on the transmission.




As an aside, from your experience does using "I" instead of drive have any substantial affect on freeway shift patterns? I suppose I should just try it, I've always assumed it was just for faster takeoffs from stoplights.

For what it's worth, I plan to do a transmission drain/refill in the not too distant future with Honda DW-1. I'd rather do the upfront maintenance than have issues down the road. I just wanted to know if there was something else I needed to replace sooner than later.

Thanks for the advice, I really appreciate all the expertise found on this forum!

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As an aside, from your experience does using "I" instead of drive have any substantial affect on freeway shift patterns? I suppose I should just try it, I've always assumed it was just for faster takeoffs from stoplights.

For what it's worth, I plan to do a transmission drain/refill in the not too distant future with Honda DW-1. I'd rather do the upfront maintenance than have issues down the road. I just wanted to know if there was something else I needed to replace sooner than later.

Thanks for the advice, I really appreciate all the expertise found on this forum!
Selecting "I" uses gears 1, 2 and 3 ... I have a note that engine turns 3000 RPM at 56 MPH in third gear ... you could wind it way on up but I'm thinking the noise and falling fuel gauge will convince you to find some higher gears.

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