ION Window Switches

Nuke-Em · 03-30-2002, 09:29 PM

After looking at the pictures, I noticed that the window switches are on the door panels now instead of in the center. I have to say I liked 'em in the center a lot better.

Matt

piney · 03-30-2002, 10:46 PM

I always found the center mounted window stuff a bit counterintuitive. I grew up in Country Squire Wagons, then to Continentals & they aways had the power junk on the door panels. My first SL2 was the first car that I'd ever been in with the central window switches and I often got some strange looks from passengers who wanted the windows down.

My LSS had them on the door and the seat controls on the door too - much better. The Park has door switches for the windows and mirrors - but the seat controls are on each seat bottom. I like the stuff on the doors!

cityhawk · 03-30-2002, 10:52 PM

I've always liked them like they were on the S-series, in the center and close together. It seems like an unnecessary duplication of switches to have them on the doors (as the passenger can also use the console-mounted switches)..... I think most of us agree that the spaced-out switches like the L-series has is the least convenient (plus the front switches are so far forward that I've often found myself opening the left rear window when approaching a toll booth.

Freak_Sc2 · 03-31-2002, 01:02 AM

i have always liked them in the center ... because the only other car that I had ridden in that had them in the center was my dad's '79 vet ... but he moved away before I learned to drive and it is in peices now in his garage ... but the center switches always remind me of that car

03-31-2002, 01:21 AM

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Originally posted by Freak_Sc2
i have always liked them in the center ...

Its never much mattered to me...as long as they are all together, have autoexpress, nice detents and quality feel.

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because the only other car that I had ridden in that had them in the center was my dad's '79 vet ... but he moved away before I learned to drive and it is in peices now in his garage ... but the center switches always remind me of that car

Hey! I learned stick on a 79 vette! Those cars kick ass! Mean riding, vicious accelleration, gobs of torque, exhaust/intake noise that drowns out the radior, and bite you in the ass handling!!! Now that's a fun ride!

Hehehehe...

piney · 03-31-2002, 08:13 AM

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Originally posted by Plastic Gravity
[B]Hey! I learned stick on a 79 vette! Those cars kick ass! Mean riding, vicious accelleration, gobs of torque, exhaust/intake noise that drowns out the radior, and bite you in the ass handling!!! /B]

Vicious acceleration? I hope it was modified!!
Displacement 350 cubic inch V-8
Compression Ratio- 8.2 to 1
Horsepower 195 (L-48), 225 (L-82)
Torque lbs-ft 285 (L48) 270 (L82)
4 barrel
And only 3372 pounds too!!

Bite you in the ***** handling and any 1970s Vette are not usually used in the same sentence. Perhaps compared to its competition of the day, but a 1979 was an emissions choked boar shod with those ultra high profile 225/60/15 tires.

OTOH, I did like the glass hatch and style of that year. They looked pretty sweet.

Swizelman45 · 03-31-2002, 11:18 AM

I like them in on the door, and I won't buy another car with center Window controls. I'm starting to tire of havig to replace the whole MODULE BECAUSE THE FREAKIN MCDONALDS WORKER DOESN'T PUT THE LID ON MY ORANGE JUCE ON RIGHT AND IT SPILLS ALL OVER THE FREAKING WINDOW CONTROLS!!!!!

(I managed to save it last time though, it was only a minor spill. Now I'm taking special precautions before I get my OJ in the Morning!!

)

03-31-2002, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by piney

Vicious acceleration? I hope it was modified!!
Displacement 350 cubic inch V-8
Compression Ratio- 8.2 to 1
Horsepower 195 (L-48), 225 (L-82)
Torque lbs-ft 285 (L48) 270 (L82)
4 barrel
And only 3372 pounds too!!

Bite you in the ***** handling and any 1970s Vette are not usually used in the same sentence. Perhaps compared to its competition of the day, but a 1979 was an emissions choked boar shod with those ultra high profile 225/60/15 tires.

OTOH, I did like the glass hatch and style of that year. They looked pretty sweet.

You'd be surprised what the L-82's would do. I remember that car being ran at Union Grove and turning a 14.5@94mph. The gearing was extremely low....I'm not sure what the final drive is. I think HP was closer to 245. Pushing the throttle down all the way in second, causing the secondary to open would screech the tires and give you a good shove back. The only mods I remember were an open element filter and jetting changes. The cat was removed too.

And yes, the handling was "bite you in the ass". You had to treat them with respect, too much throttle would leave you faceing the wrong way or driving sideways, lifting while turning would do the same. The ride was absolutely punishing.

Dr. Bob · 03-31-2002, 06:30 PM

Well, I agree that the center is a bit count-intuitive, but after getting used to em, I like 'em there. But it cute whenever people ride with me they are looking for 'em on the doors.

BTW - I noticed that the gas fill is on the right, the current s-series has 'em on the left. I wish all cars had 'em on the left, but I guess that's too much to expect standardization.

And some GM cars - the A-bodies I think, had the window cranks go in the opposite direction as the rest of the world - dumb.

cityhawk · 03-31-2002, 06:54 PM

Yes, numerous GM cars had the window cranks going the wrong way. The X cars as well... I had two Buick Skylarks. I had each one at the same time as a non-GM car, so I was always cranking the windows the wrong way.

spork · 03-31-2002, 07:00 PM

You needed to add crank windows to the list for us folks that see power windows as 1 more expensive thing to break.

But if you HAVE to have power windows, mounted on the door is the way to go.

spencerb · 03-31-2002, 08:56 PM

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Originally posted by spork
You needed to add crank windows to the list for us folks that see power windows as 1 more expensive thing to break.

The crank on my mother's van broke off once. However, in the four (two of them being very old) cars I've driven, none of them have had window problems (all were power).

I have been in cars that AFTER I put the power window down, the owner informs me not to use it, and then we spend ten minutes trying to get it back up!

03-31-2002, 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by spork
You needed to add crank windows to the list for us folks that see power windows as 1 more expensive thing to break.

But if you HAVE to have power windows, mounted on the door is the way to go.

THe crank broke off on my manually operated Opel window. And the glass came off the track on my accord on a couple ocassions. I'll take power any day. No having to reach over to roll it down on hot days...I could live with manual on the drivers side, but passenger windows need to be power.

y2chuck · 04-01-2002, 08:32 AM

I like it in the middle although every review I've read about Saturns have stated that the controls always have to go on the door. It's prolly cause I drive with my left hand so using the controls on the right side is more natural pour moi.

spork · 04-01-2002, 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by Plastic Gravity

THe crank broke off on my manually operated Opel window. And the glass came off the track on my accord on a couple ocassions. I'll take power any day. No having to reach over to roll it down on hot days...I could live with manual on the drivers side, but passenger windows need to be power.

If a crank breaks, it might cost $10 or so to replace it and you can do it yourself. An electric window regulator will be over $100, and most people will need to pay a mechanic to do it. Glass can come off the track no matter if it is manual or electric.

As far as rolling down passenger windows, I guess when I am as old and as infirm as you, I'll need electric windows. But at 40, I still can reach across.

Doug_E_95_SL2 · 04-01-2002, 06:20 PM

I'll roll my own.. ..

cityhawk · 04-01-2002, 06:41 PM

I used to be of the roll-my-own mindset too..... and in my old pickup truck (with a bench seat), reaching across to roll down the passenger window wasn't a big deal. But when you've got four windows, you just cant. But I respect the opinion of those who wish for simplicity. When it came to four wheel drive trucks, I'm still a fan of the old lockout-hubs.

But I've never had a power window fail on me... I do love being able to power down my right rear window on my wagons... good for those tricky left-side merges when that window is fogged over.

Back on topic, I still like them in the center. Like y2chuck I tend to drive with my left hand on the wheel. When you drive a manual, you kind of have to. So my right hand tends to be over there by the shifter... might as well put the switches there too. But I don't really care that much. If the world insists on putting them on the doors, I'll deal with it.

Galileo · 04-02-2002, 08:43 AM

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Originally posted by cityhawk01LW30093SW2
Back on topic, I still like them in the center. Like y2chuck I tend to drive with my left hand on the wheel. When you drive a manual, you kind of have to. So my right hand tends to be over there by the shifter... might as well put the switches there too. But I don't really care that much. If the world insists on putting them on the doors, I'll deal with it.

Rather than exerting the effort to type out the same sentiment, I'll just say that I agree with this.

Case93sc2 · 04-02-2002, 01:05 PM

My brother has a 79 vette. Sweet car. Never can seem to get the timing to stay set for very long though. Painted black it looks like the batmobile. Once we dragged his vette and my 93sc2. Kinda funny, my car beat him off the line and pulled ahead, but once those 4 barrels opened up I was looking at nothing but tail lights getting smaller. Great car.

Oh yeah, and keep the switches in the center. I like having more of the controls in a central spot. When I drove a buick it drove me nuts because there were switches and controls scattered all over the place. Felt like I was flying an F-15, although a very, very slow and ugly F-15.

VTHokie00SL2 · 04-02-2002, 01:23 PM

I think I like them in the center, but it really doesn't make much difference to me.

However, I strongly prefer the current automatic shifter to the one used in the Vue and now the Ion.

View Poll Results: Where do you prefer the placement of your window switches?
In the center by the gearshift (Current Saturns)	23	58.97%
On the door panels (ION)	16	41.03%
Voters: 39. You may not vote on this poll

03-30-2002, 09:29 PM	#1
Nuke-Em Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,352 Nuke-Em's Photos	ION Window Switches After looking at the pictures, I noticed that the window switches are on the door panels now instead of in the center. I have to say I liked 'em in the center a lot better. Matt ... If God had intended driving to be boring, he would have given us all Toyota's

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03-30-2002, 10:46 PM	#2
piney Master Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The South Posts: 4,161 piney's Photos	I always found the center mounted window stuff a bit counterintuitive. I grew up in Country Squire Wagons, then to Continentals & they aways had the power junk on the door panels. My first SL2 was the first car that I'd ever been in with the central window switches and I often got some strange looks from passengers who wanted the windows down. My LSS had them on the door and the seat controls on the door too - much better. The Park has door switches for the windows and mirrors - but the seat controls are on each seat bottom. I like the stuff on the doors!

03-30-2002, 10:52 PM	#3
cityhawk Master Member Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Boston Posts: 2,876 cityhawk's Photos 1993 SW2	I've always liked them like they were on the S-series, in the center and close together. It seems like an unnecessary duplication of switches to have them on the doors (as the passenger can also use the console-mounted switches)..... I think most of us agree that the spaced-out switches like the L-series has is the least convenient (plus the front switches are so far forward that I've often found myself opening the left rear window when approaching a toll booth.

03-31-2002, 01:02 AM	#4
Freak_Sc2 New Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Raleigh NC Posts: 8	i have always liked them in the center ... because the only other car that I had ridden in that had them in the center was my dad's '79 vet ... but he moved away before I learned to drive and it is in peices now in his garage ... but the center switches always remind me of that car

03-31-2002, 11:18 AM	#7
Swizelman45 Advanced Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 845	I like them in on the door, and I won't buy another car with center Window controls. I'm starting to tire of havig to replace the whole MODULE BECAUSE THE FREAKIN MCDONALDS WORKER DOESN'T PUT THE LID ON MY ORANGE JUCE ON RIGHT AND IT SPILLS ALL OVER THE FREAKING WINDOW CONTROLS!!!!! (I managed to save it last time though, it was only a minor spill. Now I'm taking special precautions before I get my OJ in the Morning!! )

03-31-2002, 06:30 PM	#9
Dr. Bob Master Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: SE Minnesota Posts: 2,041	Well, I agree that the center is a bit count-intuitive, but after getting used to em, I like 'em there. But it cute whenever people ride with me they are looking for 'em on the doors. BTW - I noticed that the gas fill is on the right, the current s-series has 'em on the left. I wish all cars had 'em on the left, but I guess that's too much to expect standardization. And some GM cars - the A-bodies I think, had the window cranks go in the opposite direction as the rest of the world - dumb.

03-31-2002, 06:54 PM	#10
cityhawk Master Member Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Boston Posts: 2,876 cityhawk's Photos 1993 SW2	Yes, numerous GM cars had the window cranks going the wrong way. The X cars as well... I had two Buick Skylarks. I had each one at the same time as a non-GM car, so I was always cranking the windows the wrong way.

03-31-2002, 07:00 PM	#11
spork Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,376 spork's Photos 2000 L-Series 2.2L Sedan	You needed to add crank windows to the list for us folks that see power windows as 1 more expensive thing to break. But if you HAVE to have power windows, mounted on the door is the way to go.

04-01-2002, 08:32 AM	#14
y2chuck Advanced Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Oakville Posts: 747 y2chuck's Photos	I like it in the middle although every review I've read about Saturns have stated that the controls always have to go on the door. It's prolly cause I drive with my left hand so using the controls on the right side is more natural pour moi.

04-01-2002, 06:20 PM	#16
Doug_E_95_SL2 Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Germantown, Maryland Posts: 437	I'll roll my own.. ..

04-01-2002, 06:41 PM	#17
cityhawk Master Member Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Boston Posts: 2,876 cityhawk's Photos 1993 SW2	I used to be of the roll-my-own mindset too..... and in my old pickup truck (with a bench seat), reaching across to roll down the passenger window wasn't a big deal. But when you've got four windows, you just cant. But I respect the opinion of those who wish for simplicity. When it came to four wheel drive trucks, I'm still a fan of the old lockout-hubs. But I've never had a power window fail on me... I do love being able to power down my right rear window on my wagons... good for those tricky left-side merges when that window is fogged over. Back on topic, I still like them in the center. Like y2chuck I tend to drive with my left hand on the wheel. When you drive a manual, you kind of have to. So my right hand tends to be over there by the shifter... might as well put the switches there too. But I don't really care that much. If the world insists on putting them on the doors, I'll deal with it.

04-02-2002, 01:05 PM	#19
Case93sc2 Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Zeeland, MI Posts: 104	My brother has a 79 vette. Sweet car. Never can seem to get the timing to stay set for very long though. Painted black it looks like the batmobile. Once we dragged his vette and my 93sc2. Kinda funny, my car beat him off the line and pulled ahead, but once those 4 barrels opened up I was looking at nothing but tail lights getting smaller. Great car. Oh yeah, and keep the switches in the center. I like having more of the controls in a central spot. When I drove a buick it drove me nuts because there were switches and controls scattered all over the place. Felt like I was flying an F-15, although a very, very slow and ugly F-15.

04-02-2002, 01:23 PM	#20
VTHokie00SL2 Master Member Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 4,060 VTHokie00SL2's Photos	I think I like them in the center, but it really doesn't make much difference to me. However, I strongly prefer the current automatic shifter to the one used in the Vue and now the Ion.

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