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Old 06-29-2013, 02:41 AM   #1
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Default Tales of WOE-Metal Shavings-Should I keep

I've been fairly quite here, as life has taken many twists and turns in the past few months...I lost my other car to a bad car wreck, had very serious surgery, and just been hell

My vue has been in the hands of my capable mechanic most of that time, but its been a pistol...

He's gotten everything done now, and just did the timing belt and crank sensor...

Before he did the crank sensor it ran fine....New coils and plugs and it was purring...

Now, it won't start.... I believe the engine is turning over, but no spark

He will make it right, its not that... Its just these things are frustrating to work on.. No one seems to have firm knowledge of anything with them.. AT ALL... Even the alldata and such... Just a pickle......

He's tested the ckp's and the old one was fine, as was the new one was.... I wanted it done, to be safe... But what has me worried, is he found metal shavings on both sensors... I dunno how much, but i guess enough... Could this mean a death sentence? I can't get a clear answer to that

The car ran and drove fine prior to the whole stalling thing in feburary.
I am worried about the metal shavings (none in the oil or filter though)... Looked like the original CKP sensor...

I am at my wits end with this car.. I like it, but no one can really work on it... I just was in a very serious car wreck in my other car and me working on it is out... I may soon wash my hands of it, unless I can get a clear path that these metal shavings haven't damaged my car... Even then, I may sell..

I love the car, but I dunno.. I can't get clear answers it will make it too 300k, i can't find anything online easily about repairs... Plus, I don't need AWD any more

I am at a loss.. My replacement car was a 2004 Mercedes E320 Wagon with 4matic (ie:Awd)... I don;t need it and the VUE.. I love my VUE, but damnit, its a total ***** to work on....

I've dumped alot into it and still not right...

Any one know about the metal shavings? Will I get to 300K (i am at 166K now)..Is it time to walk away??

Sorry for rambling, but thoughts??? I am so not happy with this right now... I went and bought a ford escort gt so I would have two cars to drive until we get the vue going

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Old 06-29-2013, 02:43 AM   #2
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If i keep it, how long do you think I dould DD it and are parts gonna become hard to find

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Old 06-29-2013, 10:17 AM   #3
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I am right there. Am doing 100k service. Timing belt, plugs. Why did u change coil packs? I read tons online about folks complaining of poor idle so dealer changes coil packs? Sure, under warranty it's cool but they are not cheap. So vue ran ok after timing belt, coils, plug and now it just won't start? Old mechanic idiom. It ran fine till I touched it. What did u touch? Just about everything. Had intake off, unplugged injector harness, messed with timing. Crank sensors. Amazing it even runs.

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Old 06-29-2013, 02:34 PM   #4
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Doesn't the crank sensor have a magnet in it like an ABS sensor? Maybe its just picking up metal shavings like a magnetic drain plug would.

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Old 06-30-2013, 12:29 AM   #5
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Had the sensor replaced in my motorhome. Old one had fuzzies (fine metal shavings) all over it. I think thatís normal.

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Old 07-04-2013, 03:40 AM   #6
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He seems to think something fried the main computer.. I don;t have the funds to go further with fixing it... I think the VUE will be solid after, but in the end, tis time for me to move on,... I dont need 2 V6, AWD wagons.. I'd rather keep my Benz and pass the vue on.. Maybe an ION.. I dunno...

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Steel particles being picked up is not a good sign and difficult to determine the source without dropping the oil pan.

All EFI systems work the same but may vary on how the electronics handles it. The crank sensor is the electronic heart beat for the ecm and the ecm operates the entire EFI system. ECM's hardly fail as there are hundreds of millions of them operating virtually every car, truck, and suv in the world. The difference between a vehicle that's running and another that's not is the kind of maintenance performed and the education of the person capable of understanding an EFI system. Good mechanics/technicians are hard to find and most are working all the time from word of mouth when a sharp mechanic/tech fixes an electronics related problem with EFI. There are several ways to tell if your ecm failed or not - there are no half way EFI/ecm failures. Either an ecm works or doesn't. More often than not, the ecm is blamed when a person is incapable of troubleshooting EFI systems. Sensors and associated electronics fail, not ecm's.

Some ways to tell a working ecm for drive-by-wire systems;

1-Turn ignition ON and listen for (the ecm turning on) the fuel pump run for 2 seconds. If the pump runs then the ecm is working.

2-Remove the air cleaner tube from the throttle body and have someone turn on ignition and exercise the electronic gas pedal while you observe the throttle plate; the throttle plate opening and closing mimics pedal travel. Drive-by-wire electronics; electronic/electrical throttle actuator, 100% electronic pedal, and ecm. If you see the throttle plate operating, the ecm is working.

Presuming the ecm is in working condition leaves two components that make an engine run; ignition system for generating spark and fuel for injection. The brief description of the fuel pump operation covers; all pump wiring, fuse, pump and control signal from the ecm. The ignition system for spark is tested by removing the coil pack and plugs for a visual spark test. More difficult for our 3.0L engines as more intake parts must be removed to have access to one coil pack/plug set. Before resorting to this difficult spark test, all other tests can be done to eliminate or isolate possible ignition/spark problems because a V6 engine uses two coil packs to spark six plugs - troubleshooting ignition problems is easy as two banks of plugs fail, one bank fails, or the problem isn't with the ignition system. A logical sequence of troubleshooting can eliminate hard work without guessing.

The ecm runs the fuel pump, ignition system for spark, and pulses the injectors. Guessing where the problem lies is not thinking 'inside' the box - EFI systems are relatively easy to understand provided the basics are understood; 4-stroke engine fundamentals coupled with how each EFI sensor operates and what the ecm does. A person not knowing how old style carburetor/distributor run engines work may not make the transition to EFI systems replacing carbs/distributors.

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