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Old 02-05-2005, 11:59 AM   #1
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Anyone here think they should resdesign the S series and bring it back? Maybe put a smaller version of the ecotec in it? I think they have a 1.6L or a 1.8L version of the ecotec? Anyway I think it would be a great idea as I have owned a couple of S series in the past and they are great cars. I miss my old S series but we do have an ION Bring the S series back to slot underneath the ION like the Aveo does with the Cobalt.

Make it a nice commuter car that gets like 40-45 MPG highway, etc. Would anyone else here like to see this?

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the s-series ran for 11 years.

i think saturn got its use from it.

But, if they were to bring it back, Id LOVE to see the 2.4 ecotec in it
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Sure, bring it back, make it a 2 seater hardtop coupe or something. It should be much lighter than the Ion.
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bring back the 95-96 SC2 and put a 2.4L where the rear seats normally reside and make a saturn "fiero" but without the engine fires.
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Yeah, an RWD, mid-engine, 2-seater coupe. Marketing would kill us... good thing we don't work at Saturn.

Also, I'd like to see good fuel economy and high power from a naturally-aspirated, high-compression, medium displacement 4-cylinder engine with a 6-speed transmission.

You know... a Ferrari-beater.
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I agree 1000%! Bring back the "S" Series! Saturn wouldn't be dying right now if the "S" Series was still around!
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I like your idea, Leland!

But a coupe or sedan would provide too much overlap with the ION, just bring back the SW. Also offer a diesel option!
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my SC2 is over 7 years old and it looks better than anything on the road, bring it back!!
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Old 02-06-2005, 09:20 AM   #9
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Ironically since the mid summer I've always played with the idea of "What would the 4th generation S-Series be". A few weeks ago I threw together the "4th gen SC2" on a piece of paper... I don't have a scanner, but I'll see if I can get my hands on one to show you guys.
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Well, if GM doesn't bring it back, I guess some crazy guys could build "kit cars" based on the S-Series evolution, kind of like mini Mosler, Panoz, or Saleen shops

Then you could throw Ecotec, LS-7, or whatever other kinds of crazy engines in there.
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everything gets bigger as it gets older... saturn just changed the name to ION. they want to shed their old image and that's why they will NEVER use the s series again. yes, it has a following, but not as much as they want. nostalgia doesn't count for much when you are losing money.
all the camaro guys screamed when chevy killed it. but, how many of those people actually had bought one recently? most of the complainers were driving 20 yr old camaros. that doesn't do a lot for sales at chevy.
we're in a transition w/ saturn. I don't think the've figured out what the're going to do yet. but, the S series didn't get them to where they wanted to be. it's done. it's gone. enjoy the ones you've got.
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Default Re: Should they redesign the S Series?

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I think they have a 1.6L or a 1.8L version of the ecotec?

Make it a nice commuter car that gets like 40-45 MPG highway, etc. Would anyone else here like to see this?

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They have both 1.6 and 1.8 versions of the Ecotec.

I'm not so sure about Saturn bringing back what is afterall an obsolete product... But I do see the potential in the idea of a sub-ION economy car with the gas mileage you describe. I think there is room in the Saturn range for a small hatchback.
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everything gets bigger as it gets older... saturn just changed the name to ION. they want to shed their old image and that's why they will NEVER use the s series again. yes, it has a following, but not as much as they want. nostalgia doesn't count for much when you are losing money.
all the camaro guys screamed when chevy killed it. but, how many of those people actually had bought one recently? most of the complainers were driving 20 yr old camaros. that doesn't do a lot for sales at chevy.
we're in a transition w/ saturn. I don't think the've figured out what the're going to do yet. but, the S series didn't get them to where they wanted to be. it's done. it's gone. enjoy the ones you've got.

I'm not paying $2000 more for a v8 Camaro than a v8 mustang would cost; screw most of the luxo crap on the Z28 and SS models so it'd be more affordable, and see how they sell compared to the Mustang; the GTO suffers from the same luxo-sports-coupe problem- hell, I could buy an old 60s GTO hardtop in good shape for around $20,000. The new GTO is available in hardtop only, so I'm not doing a convertable comparision.
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They have both 1.6 and 1.8 versions of the Ecotec.

I'm not so sure about Saturn bringing back what is afterall an obsolete product... But I do see the potential in the idea of a sub-ION economy car with the gas mileage you describe. I think there is room in the Saturn range for a small hatchback.
just don't call it a S-car... the S-cars with the LLOs were street-legal go-karts, especially the early ones. The single cammers are ok, they make nice economy cars.
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Make it a nice commuter car that gets like 40-45 MPG highway, etc. Would anyone else here like to see this?
Ahh, sort of Saturn's answer to the Aveo?

My 96SL1 manual didn't quite get to that mileage of the highway unless my wife was filling the tank and doing the math

Seriously, if the proposed car would be a bit smaller and lighter than the S-car, enough such that there was enough differentiation between it and the ION, it would have a chance but not a good one - the competition in that segment is tough and the profilt margins are small.
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Yeah, an RWD, mid-engine, 2-seater coupe. Marketing would kill us... good thing we don't work at Saturn.

Also, I'd like to see good fuel economy and high power from a naturally-aspirated, high-compression, medium displacement 4-cylinder engine with a 6-speed transmission.

You know... a Ferrari-beater.
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Default Re: Should they redesign the S Series?

As much as I'd like the S-series reincarnation, it won't be done because Saturn itself is phasing out the Polymer Manufacturing and go back to Full-Steel.

Despite its deliberated engineering for easy-to-service, S-cars won't live without polymer....too bad.

Couldn't agree more it's one of the economical/safest commuter cars.
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Default Re: Should they redesign the S Series?

While I'm not so "gung-ho" on the idea to bring the S back, having a smaller / lighter hatchback version of the Ion would make sence in my opinion, maybe with the above-mentioned 1.8 ecotec...

Ion Special Value... or something... I don't know...

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That sounds like a buy

Seriously, the Kappa platform has some potential, though it's not mid-engined and will probably STILL weight too much. Does the majority here prefer a hardtop? I know that convertibles are way down on my list of performance cars.
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Personally, I would love to see the S-Series coupe come back.

The ION Coupe with the body colored rear window tips (for lack of a better term) are a non-starter for me simply because I use that clear space in our '02 SC2 often enough to not want to drive any vehicle without that clear space.

They can do what they want on the drivers side, but I would prefer to see it blacked out like it is on our SC2.

If something happens to our '02 SC2, we would have to look for another one in the used car market because there isn't another car out there at the moment that we could (a) afford and (b) want.

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