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Old 02-23-2020, 02:48 PM   #1
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Default calipers worn out

I took the car to my local tech, because I was having problems with the brakes.

this is the text I got from him;

"The calipers are retracting when they shouldn't be, they are worn out."

he wants to charge me $1000 for replacing all the calipers

Does it make sense ?

the car has a new brake pump, rotors, pads and caliper gaskets

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Old 02-23-2020, 04:03 PM   #2
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Run away! That makes no sense. $1000 bucks seems like a lot to replace two calipers, if it's needed.
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Default Re: calipers worn out

> the car has a new brake pump

Does 'brake pump' = Master Cylinder??, or Brake Vacuum Booster module??

Fr. RockAuto:

New MC $80

Parts, front & rear $300

Brake Booster & steel hydraulic line replacement extra.

The party may not be interested in doing a 'brake job', or may be warning of
worst possible outcome... all steel lines, Booster & MC need replacement.

Try a 'second opinion' .
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Old 02-23-2020, 05:14 PM   #4
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Default Re: calipers worn out

It might be prudent to buy the rebuilt calipers which are provided with the support brackets. I did that on my 2000 last year, because there was an issue which suggested uneven alignment of the caliper... and because I did not want old problems to persist with my new brakes.

After 20 years, new is Good!
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Default Re: calipers worn out

Here is more info about the car

200000 miles on it
new front pads, new rotors, new brake master cylinder.

he also told me that he does not know if the master cylinder has to be replace until he changes all the calipers, becasue " the master cylinder may have to be replaced do to over compressed"
He wants to replaced all the calipers, here is the cost
OE front calipers $100
OE rear calipers $100
Labor to install $200
the price is not bad, but he may have to replace the master cylinder

I am thinking just about doing it myself, just buy front brakes calipers, I dont have problems with the rear brakes at all

are those any good ? $25 each

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo...375028&jsn=351
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I'd goto another mechanic that will actually look at the car. Unless you've personally added rear disc it has drums...rear disc wasn't available after 1998
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Get another opinion or two. I have asked repair places if they will install parts I have already purchased and they’ve never balked. They won’t guarantee the parts however but that doesn’t scare me. I bought a cat-back exhaust system from a fellow Saturnfan and my local repair shop installed it no problem after looking up the labor we agreed on the price and only upcharged me for a needed $12.00 gasket upon completion.
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Calipers don't retract when they wear out. Makes no sense. If the garage doesn't understand the fundamentals they are just taking your money. Those $25 Cardone calipers are probably fine.
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I am thinking just about doing it myself, just buy front brakes calipers, I dont have problems with the rear brakes at all

are those any good ? $25 each

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo...375028&jsn=351
Those painted calipers look so good, and are so inexpensive, that I want to buy a set and I don’t even need any right now!
I think I am using Cardone (that I painted with POR15 and then silver) and the car stops fine. Use O.E. ceramic pads...
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> " the master cylinder may have to be replaced do to over compressed"

Sometimes the MC gets messed up, and the secondary piston sticks toward the end of the bore.
This can happen, I've been told, if a new MC is operated without bench priming.
It has not happened to me... but the mechanic could be cautioning about something in his experience.

I bought the painted cardone calipers (remanufactured in Mexico). I declined to use them because I saw paint in the mounting bolt holes which were clogged; and because the mounting/mating surfaces were painted.

I have occasionally painted mating surfaces, and observed that in each case, under compression of the fastening, the painted surfaces yield, requiring a Re-Torquing procedure, or risk loose fastening. Running a tap into the holes would clean them up well.
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Were the Rear Disk brakes an option ?
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Big source of calipers that won't retract is brake hoses that are collapsed internally. If they are old I'd replace them first.

The piston can get stuck or not retract if the caliper has been contaminated with water.

The slide pins can also stick. Replacing the caliper bracket or removing the bushings, cleaning the holes, applying grease also works if you are more mechanically inclined.

I'd find a new mechanic asap or do it myself.

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I just got the car back from the mechanic, and the brakes still suck big time, I am not able to lock the front wheels when I push the brakes
he told me he has to change the brake pump.
All the new parts did not make any difference
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Brake pump? Maybe it's the blinker fluid.
https://youtu.be/E6GsXhBb10k

Maybe piston return springs.
https://youtu.be/oFX_Xq9WHTI

Possibly a muffler bearing.
https://youtu.be/eWdqlpxRA4I

Seriously, you need a new mechanic. Brake pump?
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^ ^ What?! ^ ^ Harry!? Hold da phone!? Why wasn't I notified about these service announcements? This is unacceptable. Especially when it's not April Fools....

I'm particularly annoyed to learn there's a new term for torque. I'm accustomed to foot pounds, Newton meters and kilopascals but Uggadugis? Being overwhelmed with these videos from Chris Fix, I can't remember which video used the new torque term. If anyone figures it out please don't let me know. Just point me to whoever sells this torque wrench calibrated in uggadugis.

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Brake pump? Maybe it's the blinker fluid.
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You can also rebuild the calipers for about $6. Most of the time, I don't even need a new piston. It's just the seals that are torn causing the brake fluid to leak out.

I've been using this kit for years - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000C724GE
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Since Mr Fix didn't elaborate on the Synthetic Blinker Fluid:

The conventional supports growth of mosquitos (and mold), while frying the contacts.

So, do synthetic !
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