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Old 02-22-2010, 12:03 AM   #1
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With my upcoming oil change, I was going to do a trans fluid change as well.

My question is has anyone used the Royal Purple Max ATF trans fluid? It is supposed to be compatible with the Honda fluid.

My brother swears by their motor oil, which I'm also thinking about using as well. I also looked at my Vue's oil dipstick today.. it was very pretty yellow like new oil.. made me happy! I'm so used to my Accord's oil getting dirty when it's time for a change... it was something new! I've been needing new lately....

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Old 02-22-2010, 12:12 AM   #2
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If your brother performed a UOA before, and after using RP motor oil he would change his mind... My engine experienced higher wear using RP...

After using their motor oil, I wouldn't use their ATF.

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Old 02-22-2010, 03:29 AM   #3
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Agreed. Royal Purple isn't horrible, but it's nothing special. Plus, if a fellow member used RP on his J35 and came out with a bad UOA, I'd definitely stray away.

RP is over-hyped by the media to the muscle car types, from what I've seen.

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Old 02-22-2010, 06:30 AM   #4
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I wouldn't use ANYTHING in the Honda transmission other than OEM Z1 Honda or the GM labeled equivalent.

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Old 02-22-2010, 08:26 AM   #5
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I have used Lucas Multy ATF trans fluid with great results. i tow on a weekly basis. You dont need to use manufactured trans fluid. Just pick out the ATF fluid you want that is Multi Vehicle. You will be fine.

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Old 02-22-2010, 01:45 PM   #6
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I seen on the RP website they were testing it before and after on the Dyno machine and they claimed to have gained 8 more HP. Dont know how true it is, but that would only apply if you were racing. Some on here use the RP Synchromax for their RDM. Personally i stuck with the Honda Z1 tranny fluid and it made a difference so far.

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Old 02-22-2010, 02:19 PM   #7
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Ok then... I get a resounding NO from everyone. I have no problem going down to the Honda dealership and getting my fluid, there are some nice looking mechanics down there.

So.. what kind of oil would you guys recommend? I used Valvoline High Mileage in my Accord... my dad is loyal to Pennzoil... and the bro uses the Royal Purple... so what is the best oil?

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Old 02-22-2010, 02:28 PM   #8
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I myself aslo use Pennzoil...It keeps the lifters quiet in my Vue.. I think its 5w-20....I also use 10w-30 for winter....both gave me good performance. Not to mention most garages around me use it also, so thats what i go with.

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Old 02-22-2010, 06:19 PM   #9
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I ran Amsoil ATF for almost 30,000 km's and here were my observations:

1) the oil was still nice and red and didn't smell burnt.
2) it seemed to act a little funny when lugging the motor/trans at certain speeds/RPM's. Seemed to drag the RPM down even more and take more throttle to get it to downshift.
3) the pulsing/surging while lugging in 5th gear started happening near the end. It never did it in the beginning when I first installed it but started doing it more frequently in the end. It may not have anything to do with the fluid, it could be a TC issue.

I have since changed the fluid out to Honda Z1 ATF. So far so good, but it could just be because it's new oil. The amsoil never did it when it was new either so I will have to wait and see. The Z1 seems to downshift easier when going up a hill or lugging the engine and doesn't need as much throttle to get it to kick into a lower gear.

Just my observations in 30,000 kms of driving.

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Old 02-22-2010, 06:23 PM   #10
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so what is the best oil?
IMO, Mobil 1 full synthetic it costs a bit more but I do 10,000 Kms oil change intervals and change the filter every 5,000 Kms with excellent results.

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Old 02-22-2010, 07:00 PM   #11
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I have been having good luck with Pennzoil Platinum synthetic oil and Motorcraft semi-synthetic. The latter is about half the price of the former.

Royal Purple has a following, but doesn't appear to be well regarded by the oil weenies at BITOG.

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Old 02-22-2010, 07:05 PM   #12
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The best oil is the one that you're happy with. I could use nothing but the finest baby seal oil, but it's very pricey, and it's benefits are unpredictable at best.

OK, that's a joke, bu the truth is that if you use a high quality oil, follow the OLM, and use decent filters you'll be fine. Engines aren't made from glass, and oils and additives have come a long way from the 3-5k oil changes of the 70s. 15k isn't unreasonable these days.

I just get whatever decent oil is on sale at the time I need it, and tend to go with the Fram Tough Guard filters. They're not the best, but they're a decent value and readily available. I've got a few things of Pennzoil High Mileage 10W30 now, Walmart had them for ~$17 each(for the 5 quart jugs). Prior to that I'd just get it changed at a place and let them use whatever.

Use what makes you feel better. It's highly unlikely you'll ever see a noticeable benefit from using Mobil 1 or Royal Purple over any other decent quality oil. The only reason to do it is to brag about it, or to make yourself feel better.

That said, i thought it was cool how my buddy's Silverado SS had a little "GM recommends Mobil 1" thing on his oil fill cap. Not because the oil is better, it just looked cool in the engine bay.

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Old 02-22-2010, 09:38 PM   #13
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My best UOA's were with Mobil 1 and Fram Extended Guard synthetic media filters.

The K&N oil filter wasn't as good as the Fram Extended Guard.

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Old 02-24-2010, 10:11 AM   #14
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That's funny because any articles/write ups I've seen on oil filters all say that Fram are one of the worst filters. Supposedly the NAPA gold filter is one of the best (as far as conventional filters). Anyone ever done a UAO on an Amsoil EAo nano filter?

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That's funny because any articles/write ups I've seen on oil filters all say that Fram are one of the worst filters. Supposedly the NAPA gold filter is one of the best (as far as conventional filters). Anyone ever done a UAO on an Amsoil EAo nano filter?
Most Fram suck. But the Tough Guard is the only decent one. It's not great, just the best you can get at walmart.

http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...reference.html

Big comparison of oil filters. It's a good read.

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It says that the Harddriver filter and the Amsoil nano filter are very good filters but they really don't give any analysis/details. This is what I would like to see.

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Old 02-25-2010, 10:00 AM   #17
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My 2004 Vue has 102K and I've used Amsoil exclusively since I bought it at 42k. I've always used their EOa filter. Every bit of serious research I've found states that Amsoil is at least in the top 5 if not #1 in passenger vehicle lubrication when compared to everything else on the market.

Also, understand that there is NO STANDARD for calling an oil synthetic, synthetic blend, full synthetic, or <blank> synthetic. It's a marketing term!!! No different than saying chocolaty, chocolate taste, chocolate flavored, or chocolate like. It AIN'T CHOCOLATE! If you add one drop of any man-made additive to ANY oil, you can market it as synthetic or full synthetic, or synthetic blend.

Amsoil is actually uses turbine engine oil as its base. So if it's able to stand up to the heat, friction and shear force of an aircraft engine, your pidly passenger car engine is a walk through the park...no a strole...well no...a rest on a park bench.

Do an internet search on the "Oil Bible" and on 'best synthetic oil' and find loads of info on all types of synthetics and how they actually rank. Amsoil or Royal P may or may not be what you need or want, but at least you'll have all the info you need to make an informed decision.

No, I'm not an Amsoil spokesperson or salesman. I just know what has worked for me for the last 20 years.

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Old 02-25-2010, 10:19 AM   #18
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Posting an oil question on a car forum = the best way to bring out everyone's opinion about what is the best and what works for them. Never fails.

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Most Fram suck. But the Tough Guard is the only decent one. It's not great, just the best you can get at walmart.

http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...reference.html

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I've read through that "analysis" in the past and frankly I find it mildly entertaining at best and completely misleading at worst.

It's nothing more than a subjective opinion based on qualitative observations of several filters. It doesn't tell me a thing about the filtering efficiency, long-term durability, or anything else performance-wise about the filters.

Frams have been criticized for their construction. Frankly, I don't care if the filter is made out of kleenex & duct tape if it performs well without failure. If Frams were as crappy as one is led to believe, there would be engine failures all over the place from people using them. I'm not seeing it.

Personally, everything I own with an internal combustion engine gets Mobil1 oil. My cars also use Mobil1 or Purolator PureOne filters (higher first-pass efficiency) and go 10k miles between changes. That's hardly a stretch considering that most oil change monitors will go 6-7k between changes with dino-oil.

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Ha! This is true.. I was hoping to do a tally in my head of what everyone chose and see what the most popular one was. I do value everyone's opinion, as I have one myself.

Oil brands are like chocolate... everyone likes a different flavor, but I was hoping there would be a standout contender.... like Hershey! If only my Vue could run on Hershey bars... I think life would be complete.

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