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Old 07-28-2008, 08:37 PM   #1
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so my 3k miles are up but ive been looking alot into royal purple is it all hype? or is it worthe the 20 dollars more for it is ther any other good oils out there?

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Old 07-28-2008, 08:59 PM   #2
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Royal Purple is one of the early 100% synthetic oils. the benefit comes from extended drain intervals and improved engine protection from wear. The filter quality is important when using the synthetics. Use a filter that advertises synthetic filter media. If you are burning oil there is no big advantage in switching to synthetic.

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Old 07-28-2008, 09:03 PM   #3
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actually speaking of im burning oil with only 42k on the engine? ive gone through 2 quarts since i got the car about 2 months ago is that normal burn my last car i beat dead haha so i never bothered checking

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Old 07-28-2008, 09:27 PM   #4
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I wouldn't spend all that money on really expensive oil if your burning it. But I'm sure you'll get all kinds of answers.

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Old 07-28-2008, 09:30 PM   #5
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I dont even use the "cheap" synthetic oils in my car, it burns it TOO fast, i cant imagine putting royal purple in(not to mention its pointless)

No problems with oil consumption with conventional oil however..

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Old 07-28-2008, 09:46 PM   #6
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actually speaking of im burning oil with only 42k on the engine? ive gone through 2 quarts since i got the car about 2 months ago is that normal burn my last car i beat dead haha so i never bothered checking
You want to check your oil every morning after the car sits over night. Park in the same spot and keep track of the miles and oil consumption. There are ways that possibly will stop or reduce the oil burning but you have to know how much you are burning before you start trying to correct it. There are 10 diamonds on the stick. You want to monitor the consumption down to the number of diamonds per so many miles.

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Old 07-29-2008, 06:33 AM   #7
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alright ill watch my oil over the next oil change are there any oils out there that dont burn as fast?

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You may be looking at the oil burning issue incorrectly. Oil is mainly for lubrication, to keep things slipping and sliding along to reduce friction. Its secondary benefit is to absorb the engine heat from the combustion and help cool off the cylinders along with the water cooling system. The fact that some engines use oil more than others can be from poor oil management by design of the oil control rings on the pistons. Saturns seem to have poor oil management as the oil control rings are made to wipe off oil from the cylinder walls. If you read through some threads, the pistons needed tiny holes drilled into the piston groove to help the oil drain. There's a member or two that rebuilt their engines and drilled holes for this. Now only time will tell if the extra holes work.

The oil burning issue, as you can understand it now, is from the oil control rings being stuck and overloaded to the point that they are no longer able to fit the cylinder walls perfectly and wipe off excess oil. Heat eventually cooks the oil in the groove making the oil control ring less flexible, the result is oil winding up in the combustion chamber to burn along with the fuel/air mixture. The other way for oil to enter the upper cylinder area is through the valve stems.

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Old 07-29-2008, 08:22 AM   #9
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alright ill watch my oil over the next oil change are there any oils out there that dont burn as fast?
Not really, they all go away at about the same rate. Its mostly a matter of the hot viscosity and all of them are very close when tested at operating temperature.

There are things that can be done in an attempt to mitigate the oil burning and some are more effective than others. New rings, valve seals, and oil drain back holes are a sure fix but not cheap either.

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Old 07-29-2008, 09:11 AM   #10
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You may be looking at the oil burning issue incorrectly. Oil is mainly for lubrication, to keep things slipping and sliding along to reduce friction. Its secondary benefit is to absorb the engine heat from the combustion and help cool off the cylinders along with the water cooling system. The fact that some engines use oil more than others can be from poor oil management by design of the oil control rings on the pistons. Saturns seem to have poor oil management as the oil control rings are made to wipe off oil from the cylinder walls. If you read through some threads, the pistons needed tiny holes drilled into the piston groove to help the oil drain. There's a member or two that rebuilt their engines and drilled holes for this. Now only time will tell if the extra holes work.

The oil burning issue, as you can understand it now, is from the oil control rings being stuck and overloaded to the point that they are no longer able to fit the cylinder walls perfectly and wipe off excess oil. Heat eventually cooks the oil in the groove making the oil control ring less flexible, the result is oil winding up in the combustion chamber to burn along with the fuel/air mixture. The other way for oil to enter the upper cylinder area is through the valve stems.
You'd figure with over 100 years of engine building experience that a problem with a oil control ring wouldn't happen. Much less over the 12 year life span of an engine Saturn never got a grip on the problem.

Honda started out as a company that had a better way to make a piston ring. I would have gladly paid Saturn an extra $5 for the car to had a Honda licensed rings in my SC. Imagine a s-series that you wouldn't have to worry about the oil level.

My next oil change is going to be with Royal Purple 5w-20. I'll let you know how it works out. I've heard nothing but good stories about it.

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Old 07-29-2008, 09:59 AM   #11
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I couldn't agree with you more!

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Old 07-29-2008, 10:15 AM   #12
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Skip the Purple.....

Just use oil thats on sale/rebate, or use house brand oils(AAP, AZ, NAPA)
Change oil/filter every 3k-4k, keep it topped off, call it good.

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Old 07-29-2008, 11:32 AM   #13
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what about the high mileage engine oil? i see the stuff at the stores all the time that show's oil for engines over 75,000 miles. i have 114k on mine, would that help reduce my oil consumption? what makes this oil better on engines with higher mileage?

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I use RP in my SC2. But I'd skip it on a regular road car. It is expensive and only worth it if you can truely justify the expense. My car spends plenty of time bouncing off the rev limiter and taking over a G of turning force. The oil pan doesn't always have a good supply of oil and the engine is asked a lot from it many times without proper lubracation. That combo is tough on an engine and therefor I like the added security of knowing that the oil is robust. It would be nice to have a dry sump system, but they aren't allowed in my class, so my onlt recourse is to run something I hope will stand up a bit better to abuse.

On a road car though I run any high quality Dino oil.

Irregaurdless of use I always change oil every 3 months or 3K miles.

Even a healthy Saturn will eat a quart or more in 3K miles. Doen't worry about the oil burning unless it is over a quart in 1000 miles. That sounds extreme but That is just the way it is. Check your oil every 3 or 4 fill ups and top it off when needed.

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Old 07-29-2008, 06:45 PM   #15
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Nothing but hype IMO, it's nothing better than M1.

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so my 3k miles are up but ive been looking alot into royal purple is it all hype? or is it worthe the 20 dollars more for it is ther any other good oils out there?
some people swear by it. it's supposed to be one of the very best. if you're not racing, it's probably not worth it, tho...


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I did the Royal Purple auto trany fluid and a new filter. I noticed a big difference in the way my car shifts. while doing a slow start I can't even feel the trany shift, but when I get on it has tight, quick shifts. It was very expensive. $45 for the fluid and $10 for the filter.

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I did the Royal Purple auto trany fluid and a new filter. I noticed a big difference in the way my car shifts. while doing a slow start I can't even feel the trany shift, but when I get on it has tight, quick shifts. It was very expensive. $45 for the fluid and $10 for the filter.
What you get with a full synthetic over any of the synthetic blends or plain petroleum base oil is much less carbon formation as it is much harder to oxidize(burn) and as the Saturn engine does not have any oil drain back holes it is a simple task to pack the oil control ring full of carbon and start burning oil. If the OP has just finished an Auto-Rx flush phase the thing to do is find out what his oil consumption looks like while the flush oil is in the engine and then if the Auto-Rx has worked as advertised he can switch to the RP and gain the benefits of that oil. An engine running synthetic oil will have a markedly lower oil temperature when compared to conventional oil also. That also helps it last longer.

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I vowed I wasn't going to enter this thread, but I couldn't
resist. I switched to Royal Purple about 4 years ago in my motorcycles and 99SC1. I've owned my SC1 since new in January 99. I notice little differences and changes in the car, since it's been in my possession for so long. Same way with my bike, I've owned it since new in March of 98. Both vehicles responded well to the RP. My bike a
digital temp guage, and I noticed a 4-5 degree drop in operating temperature, immediately. I assume the car is the same, but no way to tell with it's temp guage. Both vehicles experienced short lived higher idles, till both self adjusted. Again the bike was easier to monitor. Both vehicles also experienced better gas mileage. I'd say both gained around 2mpg, but I can't completely verify this, as being totally accurate. I switched the bike to the Purple at 12,000 miles and the car at 60,000 miles.
My Saturn has never, ever, used any oil, it still doesn't at almost 80,000 miles. I change my oil at 3 month intervals which is usually 15-1700 miles. I measure the oil when I drain it, and I never come up with more then 7 ounces short of what I put in. If I let it drain for an hour, I'd probably get most of that 7 ounces.
I guess I'm one of the lucky group of "non oil burning Saturn owners".
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Are you using synthetic now?

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