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Old 06-29-2010, 10:46 AM   #141
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Put the '99 head on the '01 block. Compression will decrease with the SOHC pistons. Then put the now good engine into the '99. Use your current PCM. Use your current Flexplate from the '99 engine. Use your '99 harness and sensors.

A '93-'02 block (sohc or dohc) will work for you. You will need to look into the knock sensor location as the 3rd gen block has a different style. IIRC it can accept the older style (your '99).

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ordered it on Tuesday, the guy shipped on Wednesday and i picked it up on Saturday at our local ups freight! I yanked the DOHC with transmission over Fri-Sat and stripped it down on Sunday and found the culprit to be a shattered piston ring and a #2 piston moving very difficultly.

The DOHC head is dirty, one of the #2 exhaust ports was so clogged I could barely fit my pinky in. Definitely going to be doing some cleaning. Any gaskets I should definitely replace? I know the air intake manifold is paper and mine fell apart.

As far as the chain tensioner goes what kind of gasket sealant should be used? I know i should let the sealant to skin prior to application but what kind? what about around the block and head and the head and manifold(top and air) and the exhaust manifold? I have a good set of exhaust gaskets.

my 99' DOHC cams kinda don't look good either, chain is perfect link for link, but the exhaust teeth are sharp, and not quite as wide as the intake's teeth. Should I replace them? What years can I replace them with? Would it be OK to buy used?

While I have the transmission I'm going to go head and tighten he bolt that affects the reverse lag.

Any other recommendations while I have the blocks split?

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Old 06-29-2010, 12:27 PM   #142
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Any gaskets I should definitely replace? I know the air intake manifold is paper and mine fell apart.

As far as the chain tensioner goes what kind of gasket sealant should be used? I know i should let the sealant to skin prior to application but what kind? what about around the block and head and the head and manifold(top and air) and the exhaust manifold? I have a good set of exhaust gaskets.

my 99' DOHC cams kinda don't look good either, chain is perfect link for link, but the exhaust teeth are sharp, and not quite as wide as the intake's teeth. Should I replace them? What years can I replace them with? Would it be OK to buy used?

While I have the transmission I'm going to go head and tighten he bolt that affects the reverse lag.

Any other recommendations while I have the blocks split?
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Old 06-29-2010, 03:46 PM   #143
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'95 - Model DKV - 11A




'97 - Model DCV - 11A


'98 - '99b - Model DCV - 11G




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You can figure out the model of the compressor by looking at the pulley and the connector position/location.

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I cannot comment on any other years since I do not have those cars.
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Old 07-07-2010, 05:08 PM   #144
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Intake manifolds and fuel delivery:
91-94 Intake manifolds interchange.
95-98 Intake manifolds interchange.
99-2k Intake manifolds interchange.

91-94 Throttle bodies interchange.
95-98 Throttle bodies interchange.
99-2k Throttle bodies interchange.
Can anyone tell me if the intake manifold and throttle body changed significantly in 2001? I am trying to put a 01 motor in a 99 and the swap guide appears to be silent on this. It seems that the data ends with the 2k in this area.

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Old 07-07-2010, 05:10 PM   #145
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New to the forum. My wife's 1999 SC2 1.9l w/DOHC has shucked a rod. I have found a good 1.9l DOHC out of a 2002 what would be the difference if any? I have been told it wont work and I have been told that a 99-02 swap would just be plug and play. Any help here would be great. Thanks

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Old 07-08-2010, 12:42 AM   #146
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To answer both previous questions (since multi-quote doesn't seem to work) I'm almost certain there are pretty much no significant changes under the hood from 99-2002. I think that's what the interchange earlier was referring to since it left 2K1 and 2K2 out and just put 2K. I'm not 100% on that, but I think that is right.

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Old 07-08-2010, 06:23 AM   #147
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I am pretty certain that the exhaust ports and manifold had a major change from the 99 to the 01. I am not sure what the 00 heads look like. I will post pitures in a few days when I pull the 99 motor out.

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Old 07-08-2010, 11:16 AM   #148
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I am pretty certain that the exhaust ports and manifold had a major change from the 99 to the 01. I am not sure what the 00 heads look like. I will post pitures in a few days when I pull the 99 motor out.
I think you're right. I'm so out of practice with my Saturn knowledge.

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Old 07-11-2010, 12:26 PM   #149
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Details on the SOHC Head change from '99 and earlier and '00-'02.

Air pump system is piped into the exhaust manifold and directly in to each of the 4 ehaust ports.
'99 Ex ports.


Pic of an '00 - '02 Exaust port.


Here are both Exhaust manifolds side by side.



'99 Gasket:


And the '00 to '02 gasket:


Is has occured to me that not all of the '00 to '02 sohc motors necissarily had the air pump system added. All that I have fond so far do. And Rockauto only shows the one Exhaust manifold gasket for '00 to '02.

I will probably try to use the '99 manifold (and gasket) on my '01 motor and see if it runs well enough. I am pretty sure that it would not work well to try the reverse swap. A large port <99 head would not flow well into a '00+ manifold.

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Old 07-20-2010, 09:45 PM   #150
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Looking to tighten up the suspension on my wife's 91 SL2, and I found out that it's not so easy to find bushings for the rear links. saturnparts.net lists parts claiming they fit 91-95, but the parts guy at the local caddy dealer(they have taken over Saturn parts sales) claims that there was something unique about the 91 rear suspension and the parts won't interchange.

I'm starting a new thread with more questions, but I'm also posting here in hopes that someone who has BTDT can answer definitively whether the lateral links and trailing links for 91-95 will interchange.

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Old 08-02-2010, 11:37 PM   #151
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I have a 93' SC2 and need a new ignition control module, Does anyone know what years will work? I have searched this forum but have not found this info, sorry if I missed it and thank you for such a good resource.
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Old 08-03-2010, 01:50 PM   #152
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Hey guys,

Ive been doing some interior work on my 02 SC2. I had two questions about interior swaps.
1. Is the SC steering wheel swappable with any other models? I'm preferably looking to upgrade to something a bit newer.

2. Also wondering if the temperature cluster is swappable with any of the newer GM cars.

Any help or direction is much appreciated,

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Old 08-28-2010, 02:24 PM   #153
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I am a little unclear on the EGR ports on my 2 saturns 1 is a 92 sl2, the other a 97 sc2) The engine in the 97 is toast so I am pulling the 92 engine to drpo in the 97. I know the manifolds are different but will the newer egr valve bolt to the older mount? If I have to modify it a little I can no biggie but the car is about 40 minutes away and I wont be able to get to it for a few days. Just wondering do I know before I order an EGR gasket for either year.

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Old 08-28-2010, 03:00 PM   #154
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1. Is the SC steering wheel swappable with any other models? I'm preferably looking to upgrade to something a bit newer.
It's swappable with all other models; there was no difference wrt. body style. But there's nothing newer, as 2002 was the last year for the S-Series.

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Search the S-Series sections (General, Tech, Mods) for "VUE cluster"; supposedly some years of VUE cluster fit the later S-Series, but it may require some reconfiguration of the connector pinouts.

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I am a little unclear on the EGR ports on my 2 saturns 1 is a 92 sl2, the other a 97 sc2) The engine in the 97 is toast so I am pulling the 92 engine to drpo in the 97. I know the manifolds are different but will the newer egr valve bolt to the older mount? If I have to modify it a little I can no biggie but the car is about 40 minutes away and I wont be able to get to it for a few days. Just wondering do I know before I order an EGR gasket for either year.

Thanks guys.
The electric EGR valve will only bolt to the '92 engine with an adapter that was used on the '94 California cars. Member Low Saturn collects them from junkyards and sells them here on SF. But it would be in vain, as the crankshaft on the '92 engine has different timing on the reluctor for the crank position sensor, and it will never run right in a car later than '92. You'd have to open up the engine and install a crankshaft from a '93-up engine.

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Old 09-19-2010, 01:00 PM   #155
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I got a 2001 Sc1 5spd and want to go from sohc to dohc i have a 1997 dohc complete motor here, but the bottom end is messed head was redone and brand new timing chain and gears what is the best way to swap head and what is all involved? i also want to put a Turbo on later on down the road. PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!

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Old 09-19-2010, 03:44 PM   #156
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To start with, you'll need the intake, exhaust, ECM, etc. There's a lot that feeds the ECM on the newer models so you may run into issues there as well. I'm not real sure the 97 head will work with a 2001 block though. They changed the pistons in 2000 and I believe they're higher compression pistons, which means the combustion chamber may not be suitable on an older head. Personally, the swap isn't worth it to me. I would stay factory.

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why do you have to change the ecm when changing the head?

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Because the PCM from a SOHC equipped car has programming on how to properly run a SOHC engine. The PCM from a DOHC has the programming on how to properly run a DOHC engine. SOHC and DOHC heads are different.

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Exactly! The ECM for a SOHC vs a DOHC will not work simply because the ECM takes readings from the cam position sensor and for a SOHC, they're different than a DOHC. It might work but your engine wouldn't have it's full potential power because of the timing being retarded or advanced too much to run normal.

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I would try and find a donor car if I was going to switch from a SOHC to a DOHC, due to all the sensors and electronics that changed in 2000. If you want to change it to a DOHC car, try to locate the newer head, especially having the newer block and piston style. It'll save you some heartache but you would still need the ECM/PCM for a DOHC.

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