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Old 04-11-2007, 02:07 PM   #1
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Has anyone been to their local dealership to drive the new Green Line? I know I have a bias opinion because I sell them, but I believe this will be a great vehicle. Give it a try, you'll be impressed, I know I was!!!

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Has anyone been to their local dealership to drive the new Green Line? I know I have a bias opinion because I sell them, but I believe this will be a great vehicle. Give it a try, you'll be impressed, I know I was!!!
I'm not sure they are building them yet .....

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Old 04-11-2007, 10:45 PM   #3
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... but I believe this will be a great vehicle. Give it a try, you'll be impressed, I know I was!!!
Matthew-

It's good to hear a few words about the GL- it's the Aura that I am genuinely interested in buying ... once my 1990 Accord gives up the ghost. Could you describe some of the ways the GL most impressed you? I would presume it's very similar to the XE in terms of comfort and decor, and that most of what is impressive about it cannot be ascertained visually. [The Aura GL would never have seen the light of day under previous GM management, which only wanted improvements the CEO could see Jack Smith was it?] The GL is probably slightly noisier than the XE, but Im still hoping it qualifies as a quiet automobile- can you comment on that? You probably realize it appeals to a different segment of the market than the X?: we potential GL buyers aren't really in to performance and don't pine for the RL to achieve street cred. In fact, we probably incline toward the "automobile as appliance" school of thought ... where the GL faces some pretty formidable competition.

I do wonder if GM is trying to extract too much of a premium for the Aura GL. If my 17 year old (how old is that in car years?) vehicle died tomorrow, Id probably settle for a Civic. For the six thousand dollars price differential between a Civic LX and an Aura GL, I gain rear leg room and safety in the event of a collision. And the six thousand dollars buys a lot of rear seat leg room in my book. Am I grossly oversimplifying the comparison?

The Aura GL would be even more impressive with a six-speed transmission, which I hope materializes in 2008. If it doesn't, I could imagine buying a Malibu- which I understand will come with a six speed transmission mated to an Ecotec 2.4- or a, a ... well let me not press any hot buttons among the car enthusiasts on this site.

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Old 04-12-2007, 08:51 AM   #4
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For the six thousand dollars price differential between a Civic LX and an Aura GL, I gain rear leg room and safety in the event of a collision. And the six thousand dollars buys a lot of rear seat leg room in my book. Am I grossly oversimplifying the comparison?
If you have kids, the larger cabin will make it easier to buckle them into their car seats. You also get a bigger trunk, and more shoulder & hip room.

And don't discount how important safety is. Hospitals and doctors are incredibly expensive. Not only do you have actual costs of the hospital, you have lost wages, pain & suffering, the guilt of potentially having injured passengers, etc. Personally, I wish I could drive around in the largest vehicle possible (Suburban? H2?) but finances preclude that. My last car was a Saab 9-3 which had stellar safety ratings, and the Aura doesn't lag too far behind it. Think about how much time you spend in a car, and consider that you are operating a 3,500 pound piece of steel at 60mph 3 feet from someone who might be drunk, high, arguing, talking on a cell phone, getting freaky with his lady passenger, etc

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Old 04-12-2007, 12:34 PM   #5
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It's good to hear a few words about the GL- it's the Aura that I am genuinely interested in buying ... once my 1990 Accord gives up the ghost. Could you describe some of the ways the GL most impressed you? I would presume it's very similar to the XE in terms of comfort and decor, and that most of what is impressive about it cannot be ascertained visually. [The Aura GL would never have seen the light of day under previous GM management, which only wanted improvements the CEO could see Jack Smith was it?] The GL is probably slightly noisier than the XE, but Im still hoping it qualifies as a quiet automobile- can you comment on that? You probably realize it appeals to a different segment of the market than the X?: we potential GL buyers aren't really in to performance and don't pine for the RL to achieve street cred. In fact, we probably incline toward the "automobile as appliance" school of thought ... where the GL faces some pretty formidable competition.

I do wonder if GM is trying to extract too much of a premium for the Aura GL. If my 17 year old (how old is that in car years?) vehicle died tomorrow, Id probably settle for a Civic. For the six thousand dollars price differential between a Civic LX and an Aura GL, I gain rear leg room and safety in the event of a collision. And the six thousand dollars buys a lot of rear seat leg room in my book. Am I grossly oversimplifying the comparison?

The Aura GL would be even more impressive with a six-speed transmission, which I hope materializes in 2008. If it doesn't, I could imagine buying a Malibu- which I understand will come with a six speed transmission mated to an Ecotec 2.4- or a, a ... well let me not press any hot buttons among the car enthusiasts on this site.
The green line is almost identicle to the XE except for a few things.

1. Alloys are now standard, and exclusive to the green line
2. Climate control is standard (not available on XE)
3. $1300.00 tax refund for purchasing a hybrid
4. Tire pressure monitors tell you exact pressure in each tire live.
5. There's an instant read out on the MPG, not just an average

The Aura does have 5 stars front, and side. There's also a very unique feature that Saturn offers on the Aura and Outlook. It's call Rear Dynamic Proportioned Brakes. What this does, in the event of a harsh braking, is that it sends more braking power to the rear, and will keep the vehicle flat instead of lurching forward. This is a big safety feature that all of my customers are extremely impressed with. You should definitely take on out and give it a try, I know you'll be impressed, and if safety is number one on your list, this is a great car for you. There's also a special safety feature for the rear occupants. If you open the back doors, and look down near the bottom of the frame of the body of the vehicle you will notice a silver bolt sticking out. This bolt is call a Door to Body anchor bolt. What this does, is if you are hit from the side, it will keep the rear door from folding into the cabin. BIG BIG BIG Safety equipment on this vehicle. I have dozens of more safety points on this vehicle but my hands are getting tired.

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Old 04-12-2007, 12:51 PM   #6
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In my experience, hybrid buyers are people with strongly held views about dependence on foreign oil, or they are people with strongly held views about global warming and the environment. For most of them, the key item is the mpg. If you look at the (2008) EPA numbers for the four cylinder sedan hybrids, the Aura comes out last, but a little ahead of standard 4 cylinders:


Prius 48/45, 46 combined
Civic 40/45, 42 combined
Camry 33/34, 34 combined
Aura 24/32, 27 combined

Compare those numbers to the regular gas engine:

Accord 4 cyl. 21/31
Pontiac G6 4 cyl. 20/30

I think most buyers will pass the Aura GL up for a better equipped regular 4 cylinder (because many options aren't available on the GL) or the buyers will opt for the hybrids that get better mileage, especially with the new lower price on the Prius. I'd like to see the Aura GL succeed, but I don't think it is in tune with the market. Guess we'll see!

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Old 04-12-2007, 03:32 PM   #7
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MSRP......................Tax Credit........w/ credit...............MPG........Yrs to make up difference
AURA GL........$22,695..$1,300..........$21,395........ ........31
Altima Hybrid..$25,015..$2,350..........$22,665.......... ......39..............4.7
Camry Hybrid..$26,820..$650.............$26,170......... .......39.............17.5

this is at gas prices $2.75/ga, and 15,000 miles per year. If anyone would like to have the chart (excel format) I can e-mail them.

Who has the better value?

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Old 04-12-2007, 04:49 PM   #8
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MSRP......................Tax Credit........w/ credit...............MPG........Yrs to make up difference
AURA GL........$22,695..$1,300..........$21,395........ ........31
Altima Hybrid..$25,015..$2,350..........$22,665.......... ......39..............4.7
Camry Hybrid..$26,820..$650.............$26,170......... .......39.............17.5

this is at gas prices $2.75/ga, and 15,000 miles per year. If anyone would like to have the chart (excel format) I can e-mail them.

Who has the better value?
Actually, the EPA numbers going forward have the GL at 27 mpg and the Altima / Camry at 34 mpg. As a side note, there are different levels of features on these cars that add to the price difference.

One other thing to point out about hybrids... Same numbers - GL vs. XE. 15,000 miles per year and $2.75 / gal. $700 price premium for hybrid including tax break = more than two years just to break even. Against a different car getting 25 mpg (from TN1's post), it will take 5.75 years to break even. In other words, if you want to go more miles over many years for less money, buy a four cyl - not the hybrid. Even the XE is better for a few years and it will be DRAMATICALLY better to drive + the trunk space isn't cut to the size of a good convertible.

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Old 04-12-2007, 05:00 PM   #9
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While the price of the car is obviously important, it's "values" that are selling hybrids, not "value". I've had discussions about the cost of a hybrid with people who bought them, and the people who buy them that I have spoken with are not buying them based on the money it will save them at the gas pump after a certain number of years of ownership. It is all about using fewer fossil fuels and emitting less CO2, or about using less so we have to import less from foreign countries. That is why the Prius is winning the hybrid game hands down, and why it will likely continue to. It simply has much better gas mileage than the competition, and that is the magic number in this game, not the price. Perhaps the new Vue will be a more competitive hybrid since it has the dual mode hybrid system (if I remember correctly).

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Old 04-12-2007, 05:06 PM   #10
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Think about how much time you spend in a car, and consider that you are operating a 3,500 pound piece of steel at 60mph 3 feet from someone who might be drunk, high, arguing, talking on a cell phone, getting freaky with his lady passenger, etc
The Ford Five Hundred/Taurus might be the safest car available now.

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Old 04-12-2007, 05:14 PM   #11
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In other words, if you want to go more miles over many years for less money, buy a four cyl - not the hybrid.
True but go for a Honda or Mazda

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That is why the Prius is winning the hybrid game hands down, and why it will likely continue to.
It's the styling, even the people buying them won't admit it. The Prius stands out.

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Old 04-12-2007, 05:25 PM   #13
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That's true - the virtuous always want you to know they are virtuous. And a Camry hybrid, a Civic hybrid, and an Aura hybrid don't say "This is a HYBRID" quite the way a Prius does! I seem to remember reading reports based on surveys of owners that indicated the Civic hybrid wasn't doing as well because it "didn't look like a hybrid".

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That's true - the virtuous always want you to know they are virtuous.
If you really wanted to be "clean and green" you'd try your best to get a Honda Civic GX CNG powered. I believe that car is the least polluting car ever.

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How come Beijing has more bicycles than anywhere in the world and the air smells like a toilet bowl? Aren't bicycles clean?

Seriously, the fun with hybrids doesn't start for a few years. Then they will be plug in, diesel, and hydrogen. For now, they are for the people that want to do something "good", regardless of the financials. Spot on that the looks of the Prius are what drive the sales. How can you be a good Hollywood Celeb type without everyone knowing that you care more than everyone else?

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MSRP......................Tax Credit........w/ credit...............MPG........Yrs to make up difference
AURA GL........$22,695..$1,300..........$21,395........ ........31
Altima Hybrid..$25,015..$2,350..........$22,665.......... ......39..............4.7
Camry Hybrid..$26,820..$650.............$26,170......... .......39.............17.5

this is at gas prices $2.75/ga, and 15,000 miles per year. If anyone would like to have the chart (excel format) I can e-mail them.

Who has the better value?
looks like aura is OK but you have to remember the resale value,car insurance,maintenance and haggle price.

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looks like aura is OK but you have to remember the resale value,car insurance,maintenance and haggle price.
If you go with that line of thinking....if your resale value is higher, obviously your car is worth more and so your insurance would be more since the insurance company would have to pay more out(you never get something for nothing). And...saturns dealerships have always been good about maintenance and there is no haggling with the price...ust usually your trade in value and add ons.

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MSRP......................Tax Credit........w/ credit...............MPG........Yrs to make up difference
AURA GL........$22,695..$1,300..........$21,395........ ........31
Altima Hybrid..$25,015..$2,350..........$22,665.......... ......39..............4.7
Camry Hybrid..$26,820..$650.............$26,170......... .......39.............17.5

this is at gas prices $2.75/ga, and 15,000 miles per year. If anyone would like to have the chart (excel format) I can e-mail them.

Who has the better value?
Might as well cross the Altima hybrid off the list. It's only sold in, what, 8 states?

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I drove one two weeks ago. They are extremely rare to find, so if you can, drive one before it gets sold off the lot. Overall it seemed like a nice car to own. The GL looks like the regular Aura V6 versions, except it has large green and chrome "Hybrid" badges on the front doors and trunk lid. So at least people will know you are driving a hybrid.... In terms of performance, it seemed fine for a large, four-cylinder sedan. I didn't have time to drive the other Auras so I can't really compare how it compares to the V6's, but I'd guess it has to be, obviously, slower. I only drove it on suburban streets so I couldn't really floor it, but the acceleration was ok. Nothing spectacular, but definitely not horrible. The sound insulation and very good suspension actually insulate the driver from feeling a lot of the perceptions of speed that I get in my current, smaller car. You feel like you are driving slower than you actually are. There is a green "Eco" light that illuminates when you drive 'efficiently' and the charge/assist gauge swings up and down depending on if you hit the gas or coast, etc. There is a digital instant MPG display that also helps tell the driver how he's doing. In stop and go driving it was challenging to keep the Eco light on, but I would like to see some real world highway mileage numbers. The auto stop system shut off the engine when the car stops for more than a few seconds, like at a stop light. The auto stop lasts for two minutes maximum, or until the driver eases up on the brake, presses the gas, or puts the car in park (I also read parts of the owner's manual, which explains how it all works.). When you ease off the brake, the engine immediately restarts with a small shudder and off you go. I couldn't really feel when the electric motor kicked in while driving, but you could see when the assist gauge was swinging up, so that must be when it was adding power. It kicked in when starting off and sometimes while accellerating. When coasting, you could feel a minute bit of drag from the regenerative system charging, and could also see the instrument panel gauge indicate it. One thing I did notice was that if you coasted down completely, to almost a full stop, the gas engine still stayed running, and it didn't seem like the electric motor was activated to power the car down to the stop. According to GM's brochure, I had thought the BAS electric motor was programmed to do it, but maybe just I wasn't feeling it. I don't know, it's much more subtle than I think is the system in the Civic, and definitely less noticeable than the one in the Prius. Overall it was a great car -- very nice, thick, comfortable seats, and very quiet. The interior trim could have been a tad richer (I like the woodgrain trim more, and this one had the silver plastic. -- Does it depend on exterior color???) and the upholstery cloth left something to be desired. The trunk was very large and the battery only took up a small space, located under a long plastic cover at the back o the trunk. The rear seats can still fold down and give a pass through to the trunk, which is a great feature that isn't available on the Civic hybrid. The spare tire has been replaced by an electric pump with a sealant canister, presumably to save weight. The car was equipped with Uniroyal Tiger Paws, and the door label recommended inflating them to 35 PSI. Overall, seems like a nice car and I'd definitely consider buying it.

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Interesting car, and it'll be interesting to see how it does, especially as real world mileage figures pan out.

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