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Old 12-03-2008, 01:12 AM   #21
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I have to agree with the others. I love my Aura XR, but this might mean I am going to trade it in very soon. Sad really, as the only other GM car I might buy is a Cadillac CTS. We'll see what happens.

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Old 12-03-2008, 11:34 AM   #22
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2012 is three years away.


Since when have Saturns ever had good resale? A vehicle is one of the worst investments you can make if your expecting a return. Buy a car if you want it and it appeals to you, not if your expecting to make money.
I agree. When people talk about depreciation on a car and resale I LAUGH. Thats the brainwashed LEASE generation there.

I bought the AURA figuring I'd keep it till it dies, which is what all of our grandparents used to do.

A car is a TOOL, not an investment.

My main concern is any car breaks and needs service. I dont want o pay up the ass later on because of rarity, and the truth is Saturn owners will not experience anywhere NEAR the same level of service once Saturn is gone.

I am hopeful GM can imagine some great Idea for us customers, because they know if they do not they just burned and lost a **** load of customers they can hardly afford to lose.

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Old 12-03-2008, 11:41 AM   #23
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2012 is three years away.

I doubt GM dealers are going to turn away current customers and their Saturns. Do you honestly think now that they want to piss people off potential future customers during this time? They're going to have to take care of them. They will work out the details and I'm sure all of the dealers will be capable of taking care of them. With the exception of the Astra, none of them have powertains that are any different than other GM vehicles. It doesn't take a mechanical engineer to figure out how to work on a car. It's not the end of the world people, the sky is not falling.
The article said BY 2012, not IN 2012. That doesn't preclude it from happening next spring. I'm not running for the hills to trade my car this second, but, I'm sorry to say, this is probably going to be my first, and last Saturn. Probably GM in general, too.

(Actually this is my second GM car. It took 20 years to get over the trauma of the piece of junk 83 Camaro I was saddled with, to trust them again. Now this. )

And why do you think a Chevy dealer is going to be any better to a non-Chevy customer than that Dodge dealer was to a non-Dodge customer like me with my Eagle Vision? All dealers are cut from the same cloth. All they have to do is look in their computer and see that your car wasn't bought from their's or an affiliated dealership and you are automatically a second class citizen to them. And you can't even complain to the sales manger or dealership manager, because they will have the same attitude.

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Old 12-03-2008, 12:34 PM   #24
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Based on previous car purchases, I have actually received BETTER service from dealers I have not purchased my car from. I only go back to the dealer for warranty work, which I have not had to do yet with my Saturn. I do the maintenance myself, and if it is out of warranty I will either repair it myself or take it to an independent garage depending on what the issue is. Of course if it is a driveability or electrical system issue, I will be forced to return to a GM dealer. But come on guys, the Aura/Malibu/G6 are all the same car. I wouldn't be concerned about parts or service on these vehicles. The Astra drivers are the ones that should be concerned.

Look at Oldsmobile and Plymouth - when they cut those divisions resale didn't drop anymore than they would of if they were still in production. In the event that resale does plummet, I'll just drive it until the wheels fall off. These are well built, solid vehicles that will easily go 200k with proper maintenance.

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Old 12-03-2008, 04:38 PM   #25
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Here's my take on the matter:

No matter what happens to Saturn as a corporation, there are going to be thousands upon thousands of Saturn-brand cars on the road for the conceivable future. Even if no more Saturns are sold as of January 1, there is going to be a large demand for service and parts for the next decade or two. IMHO, if you like the Aura, wait for the price to drop a bit, and then buy one.

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Old 12-03-2008, 06:51 PM   #26
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My take on this:

If you plan on buying a Saturn model that has a corporate twin (i.e. Aura/Malibu) it would be a relatively safe buy as it has enough in common with the twin to be easily fixed by the twin's dealer network. About the only problem with parts availability would likely be Saturn specific trim pieces, not the basic mechanical parts. In other words, dash peices and model-specific body parts may be a problem. This would apply only if you plan on buying the car to keep and drive "forever" in which case future resale value of an orphan car would not be a factor. It might be worth waiting until the actual demise of Saturn as a brand is firm, as shortly after this prices will be rock bottom.

If you're considering an Astra, I'd wait until it's confirmed that the car will be shifted over to another division, probably Buick, rather than dumped entirely.

There are enough old S series cars still on the road and enough of these in wrecking yards to keep the current fleet going indefinitely--sorta like an American analogy to the old air-cooled VW beetle.

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Old 12-03-2008, 07:40 PM   #27
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As long as it runs. Since the drivetrains and underpinnings of the Saturn lineup are common amongst GM I wouldn't have a problem. Parts should be as easy if it were the Chevy or any other varient model.

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Old 12-03-2008, 07:59 PM   #28
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(Actually this is my second GM car. It took 20 years to get over the trauma of the piece of junk 83 Camaro I was saddled with, to trust them again. Now this. )
That's the prblem with America. Everyone looks back at their 80s beater car and think that the same quality is in their vehicles today. With the exception of a few, just about all cars in the 80s sucked from every single manufacturer. The todays is worlds beyond the 80. Too bad some people have not even stepped on a GM lot since to observe for themselves, but are quick to talk crap about the US auto industry with only their old time opinions.

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And why do you think a Chevy dealer is going to be any better to a non-Chevy customer than that Dodge dealer was to a non-Dodge customer like me with my Eagle Vision? All dealers are cut from the same cloth. All they have to do is look in their computer and see that your car wasn't bought from their's or an affiliated dealership and you are automatically a second class citizen to them. And you can't even complain to the sales manger or dealership manager, because they will have the same attitude.
Apparently any other GM dealer can service Saturns if there is not a Saturn dealer nearby. http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=129517
Just because your crappy dodge dealer was no good, it doesn't mean that all of them would have been the same. Did you even attempt to use a different one or are blaming Dodge entirely over the mistakes of one dealer? I've never hear heard of anyone having trouble with GM, or any others dealers, with service even if they did not originally purcahse their car from the same dealer.

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Old 12-03-2008, 08:35 PM   #29
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I really wouldn't at this point. Because I've found such a great dealer and mechanics, I can't stand the thought of being schlepped off to a Chevy dealer for service. It just doesn't spike my confidence level (although I might not be as uneasy if it was regarding the Aura).

I know it might be unfounded, but at this point, this whole thing has me really questioning service and parts in the future.

My 2 Saturns are older, so it's not like I'm making payments or anything, but I keep my cars long and it still has me wondering right now.

If Saturn just gets killed (as in no dealer network), there's no way I get another GM. My Accord was the worst car I ever owned and Honda really screwed me over (long story), so I'll look at Toyota.

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Old 12-03-2008, 09:39 PM   #30
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That's the prblem with America. Everyone looks back at their 80s beater car and think that the same quality is in their vehicles today. With the exception of a few, just about all cars in the 80s sucked from every single manufacturer. The todays is worlds beyond the 80. Too bad some people have not even stepped on a GM lot since to observe for themselves, but are quick to talk crap about the US auto industry with only their old time opinions.
Maybe you'd like to talk to my buddy that had a 02 Camaro SS, last year of production. He hit a pothole at 25 mph and his airbags went off. He had one of the problems I had on my first year production Camaro, his rear shock towers rusted out. His ECM also fried, twice.
Or maybe you'd like to meet the owner of where I work, who has had his 06 Cadillac DTS in for warranty repairs 14 times in the last 22 months.
Or the woman down the street from me who had so many problems with her 04 Pontiac Sunfire, that she won a lemon law judgement on it.
My 83 Camaro was not a beater, either. I treated like it was my own kid, like I do with every car I own. I maintained it like it was a Ferrari. It still rusted out, leaked oil, blew transmissions (on a 150hp V6). The last straw was the block cracking and the engine seizing.

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Apparently any other GM dealer can service Saturns if there is not a Saturn dealer nearby. http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=129517
Just because your crappy dodge dealer was no good, it doesn't mean that all of them would have been the same. Did you even attempt to use a different one or are blaming Dodge entirely over the mistakes of one dealer? I've never hear heard of anyone having trouble with GM, or any others dealers, with service even if they did not originally purcahse their car from the same dealer.
There were 2 Dodge and 1 Chrysler dealer in my area at that time, I got the same treatment at all of them. I even lodged a complaint with the regional office about it. Nothing ever came of it. I got tired of it and ended up paying for covered repairs out of pocket at a local mechanic, then submitting them to Chrysler warranty myself. At least they cut me checks after they realized the non-service their authorized repair centers were giving me.

I stopped going to the dealer I bought my Aura from because I was tired of hearing that everything was my fault but they'd fix it as a favor. Or the problem was my imagination. I found another Saturn dealer and they never gave me a hassle on anything. Unfortunately, that Saturn dealer closed back in July, now I'll have to go back to the other place.

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Old 12-03-2008, 09:42 PM   #31
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Yes, and so should you for the right price. Keeping in mind that resale of Saturns WILL suffer in the future. However, if you plan on keeping the car for more than 5 years and putting 75 - 100K miles on it. By all means, buy the (soon to be) highly discounted and rebated Saturns and laugh all the way to the bank. There are going to be some super deals on some great cars in the very near future. GM and Fords are every bit as well-built as the Foreign Tripe. Buy American. Keep American jobs. And don't give me that trade-deficit supporting brain-washed ignorant argument about all the "Foreign" cars that are built in the good ol' US of A. The PROFITS are going to a Foreign entity and supporting the continuing decline of US manufacturing and industry. WHO do you think taught the whipper-snapper foreign companies how to (copy, steal shamelessly and disregard US patents) design and build just about everything they are now manufacturing and selling. Fast learners aren't they? EVERY GM, Ford and even Chrysler that I have owned in the last 20 years was equal or better quality than the VW's, Hondas and Toyotas that I either owned (in moments of weakness) or drove as company cars for many years (I usually request a GM, Ford or Chrysler now). I can PROVE that my total cost of ownership from purchase to trade-in was at least as good or less than the hyperbole claims for Toyota, Nissan, Honda or Hyundai. Save your job and the USA - buy GM, Ford or Chrysler - buy that Saturn.

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Old 12-03-2008, 10:08 PM   #32
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Maybe you'd like to talk to my buddy that had a 02 Camaro SS, last year of production. He hit a pothole at 25 mph and his airbags went off. He had one of the problems I had on my first year production Camaro, his rear shock towers rusted out. His ECM also fried, twice.
Or maybe you'd like to meet the owner of where I work, who has had his 06 Cadillac DTS in for warranty repairs 14 times in the last 22 months.
Or the woman down the street from me who had so many problems with her 04 Pontiac Sunfire, that she won a lemon law judgement on it.
My 83 Camaro was not a beater, either. I treated like it was my own kid, like I do with every car I own. I maintained it like it was a Ferrari. It still rusted out, leaked oil, blew transmissions (on a 150hp V6). The last straw was the block cracking and the engine seizing.
I can name plently of people that I know have personally had plendy of problems with foreign cars and their dealerships. Like the guy I know with a camry, other guy with a civic, or the lady next door with an altima. It's a two way street.

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Yes, and so should you for the right price. Keeping in mind that resale of Saturns WILL suffer in the future. However, if you plan on keeping the car for more than 5 years and putting 75 - 100K miles on it. By all means, buy the (soon to be) highly discounted and rebated Saturns and laugh all the way to the bank. There are going to be some super deals on some great cars in the very near future. GM and Fords are every bit as well-built as the Foreign Tripe. Buy American. Keep American jobs. And don't give me that trade-deficit supporting brain-washed ignorant argument about all the "Foreign" cars that are built in the good ol' US of A. The PROFITS are going to a Foreign entity and supporting the continuing decline of US manufacturing and industry. WHO do you think taught the whipper-snapper foreign companies how to (copy, steal shamelessly and disregard US patents) design and build just about everything they are now manufacturing and selling. Fast learners aren't they? EVERY GM, Ford and even Chrysler that I have owned in the last 20 years was equal or better quality than the VW's, Hondas and Toyotas that I either owned (in moments of weakness) or drove as company cars for many years (I usually request a GM, Ford or Chrysler now). I can PROVE that my total cost of ownership from purchase to trade-in was at least as good or less than the hyperbole claims for Toyota, Nissan, Honda or Hyundai. Save your job and the USA - buy GM, Ford or Chrysler - buy that Saturn.
I'm glad to see that there's people who think like you do on this site. It's pathetic that there's too many ignorant people out there that are brainwashed by the media into thinking that imports are the best

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I just bought my Aura XR at the end of August. Absolutely killer - KILLER price. It was my first new GM vehicle since 1984. The 72 Olds Cutlass (with a 350 Rocket engine) and 84 Camaro I've owned were...well...they SUCKED! There was ALWAYS something wrong with them. I've been driving Hondas since 1987 and I've loved the reliability and economy of them. However, I absolutely love - LOVE my Aura - because it's pretty much based on the Opel Vectra C. It's the ONLY reason I considered buying it. Would I buy another GM vehicle knowing what I believe I know now, you ask? NO! Unequivically NO! Not until this bail-out situation is completely clear. I absolutely don't trust GM anymore. They had 30+ years to get it right and beat the Japanese econo **** boxes that everyone laughed about in the late 70's and early 80's and they pretty much pissed their time and money away on...WHAT?! Wow! I had such high hopes seeing the new Saturn line-up. Here's a question: Would you buy a ticket for a trip on the Titanic knowing what you know? If you did, would it be a better deal getting it for half-price? I don't believe so. I plan on keeping my Aura until it becomes too difficult to get serviced or find parts. The dealer I purchased from sells Buick and Ponticac as well. I'd really be screwed if the entire dealership closed. Then I'm going to buy another Honda. Why? Because I've NEVER - NEVER had a problem with the 2 Hondas we've bought new and...ultimately, it's about safe, reliable (and economical) transportation. Not spending my time in internet forums complaining about what's wrong with my car or the crappy service I get from a GM dealer. BTW, I really do like Saturnfans.com immensely. I believe it's a great resource for all the good and bad stuff and to vent in general. Everything I just wrote is superfluous except for the "NO" to buying a Saturn / GM product now or in the future.

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Old 12-04-2008, 04:05 AM   #34
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(Actually this is my second GM car. It took 20 years to get over the trauma of the piece of junk 83 Camaro I was saddled with, to trust them again. Now this. )
I certainly know how you feel. I had a similar experience with a brand new 74' Chevy Nova. I'll spare the details, the why-fors and what-fors also. But it took me exactly 30 years (count em' thirty years!) to even remotely consider buying anything GM made...until Saturn came along.

My problem is that I have a very, very long memory for injustice! Burn me once and try to force me to like it, and the trust issues will last my lifetime. It did help that Saturn was at least semi-independent of GM; and really was "A Different Kind of Car Company"---all that and polymer body panels too! I've bought four Saturns in the last five years...all but one with polymer. Now I have to wonder if I'm going to be stuck with a GM dealership for warranty work and repairs? NO thanks! I still have trust issues.

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Maybe you'd like to talk to my buddy that had a 02 Camaro SS, last year of production. He hit a pothole at 25 mph and his airbags went off. He had one of the problems I had on my first year production Camaro, his rear shock towers rusted out. His ECM also fried, twice.
Or maybe you'd like to meet the owner of where I work, who has had his 06 Cadillac DTS in for warranty repairs 14 times in the last 22 months.
Or the woman down the street from me who had so many problems with her 04 Pontiac Sunfire, that she won a lemon law judgement on it.
My 83 Camaro was not a beater, either. I treated like it was my own kid, like I do with every car I own. I maintained it like it was a Ferrari. It still rusted out, leaked oil, blew transmissions (on a 150hp V6). The last straw was the block cracking and the engine seizing.



There were 2 Dodge and 1 Chrysler dealer in my area at that time, I got the same treatment at all of them. I even lodged a complaint with the regional office about it. Nothing ever came of it. I got tired of it and ended up paying for covered repairs out of pocket at a local mechanic, then submitting them to Chrysler warranty myself. At least they cut me checks after they realized the non-service their authorized repair centers were giving me.

I stopped going to the dealer I bought my Aura from because I was tired of hearing that everything was my fault but they'd fix it as a favor. Or the problem was my imagination. I found another Saturn dealer and they never gave me a hassle on anything. Unfortunately, that Saturn dealer closed back in July, now I'll have to go back to the other place.

CPTMATT, like what was stated before its a two way street. I can name more people I know that have had more problems with foreign cars than the american cars. Most notorious the timing belt slipping on a honda motor (even if they followed maintanence perfectly) and boom bye bye valves. Ive heard of transmissions going, airbags blowing, cars rusting out, brakes stop working, suspensions falling off, CV boots going bad, etc.. from foreign cars. Every car manufacturer has just as many problems as the other. For as many stories as an american car going bad i have heard the same for a foreign car.

Why are people worried about parts if saturn goes. The parts business is a huge business that is very profitable. The last thing gm wants is to stop producing parts for their cars because that would cost them to lose more money. I might be happy if my saturn dealership goes then, I can go to a dealership that doesn't break your car everytime you take it in for routine maintanence. Sometimes i just want to go in and say I know whats wrong, I know how to fix it, just please give me the parts.

I brought it in once for a noise (which was just the front bumper rubbing) and he through a ISS at it and when installing the new ISS he spun the wheel and snapped my clock spring. Which then caused a big fiasco. They then ordered wrong part and installed which lost my manual shift mode. Had to go back. In the meantime of fixing the clock spring with the correct part they somehow snapped the trim on the dash and the breaking of parts kept going.

If the dealerships go i might be happier.

Also gpartrid the aura maybe shares 2% of the parts with the opel vectra. The opel epsilon and the american epsilon platforms are quite different. The only thing it shares with the opel is the front end look. The aura is a g6 and a malibu not a opel vectra.

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Why wouldn't you?

It isn't 100% that Saturn is ditched yet.

Buy the car, drive it, enjoy it. Tell the story of Saturn to your friends while you can. Service, parts, warranty, nothing to worry about there because you will be backed by GM.

I don't know why everyone suddenly wants to ditch their Saturns if the brand gets axed..

When Oldsmobile was cut, people still bought, and are still buying used Oldsmobiles. From what I've seen, the resale prices haven't plummeted.

You can still buy used Oldsmobiles with resale values close to their GM siblings.

I wouldn't worry. IF you want a Saturn, buy one.

If you don't, you might as well consider yourself as also leading to the demise of Saturn.

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I am amazed by the people that say buying a big 3 Auto is saving American Jobs. My old Impala was made in Canada, my Fathers Camary was made in Kentucky. Which one is the "American" Car?

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Old 12-06-2008, 11:47 PM   #38
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I am amazed by the people that say buying a big 3 Auto is saving American Jobs. My old Impala was made in Canada, my Fathers Camary was made in Kentucky. Which one is the "American" Car?
Obviously the Impala.

Impala is made by Chevy, a division of GM, an AMERICAN company.

The money goes back to GM US.

I don't care where that Camry is made, the money is going OUT of the US.

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Old 12-09-2008, 02:55 PM   #39
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Obviously the Impala.

Impala is made by Chevy, a division of GM, an AMERICAN company.

The money goes back to GM US.

I don't care where that Camry is made, the money is going OUT of the US.
If the Impala was built in Canada, the money from the car's purchase price went to GM's corporate headquarters which paid the salaries for Canadian auto workers.

If the Camry was built in the U.S., the money from the car's purchase price went to Toyota's corporate headquarters in Tokyo which in turn paid for the salaries for American auto workers.

In the end, just buy the car that suits your needs / wants.

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Old 12-09-2008, 07:11 PM   #40
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Simple Math made simpler:
GM car made in Canada = profits to GM US = Good for trade deficit and US
Toyota car made in US = profits to Toyota Japan = Bad for trade deficit and US
GM and Ford = Higher Quality than Toyota at a lower first cost and lower overall cost of ownership

Obvious conclusion - BUY THE GM or FORD, not the Toyota

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