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Old 02-07-2020, 11:30 PM   #1
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Default Wagon water leak

I still have rain leaking into the rear of my wagon. You can see I’ve been addressing this issue but have yet to solve it. Rain water seeps in at the two rear corners of the cabin interior just in front of the rear hatch. I tried the yellow great stuff foam injected into some seams in the upper corners of the liftgate/hatch opening but that hasn’t worked. I recently ran beads of clear silicone caulk along the roof moldings for the length of the roof. While replacing the headliner I silicone caulked the numerous invading bolt tips protruding into the cabin From the roof. I even spray glued a heavy duty commercial grade trash can liner to the rear half of the upper surface of the headliner to resist water in that area. I still have a way to go before I solve this dilemma.
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Old 02-08-2020, 02:12 AM   #2
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You could look into trying something like Rust-Oleum LeakSeal Clear Spray or even that Flex Tape.

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Old 02-08-2020, 07:57 AM   #3
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Default Re: Wagon water leak

As i heard many times, that expanding foam is actually pretty bad on steel!

Otherwise, the best way is to actually have a friend inside the car while you wash the car with pressurised water to actually see where it's coming from. when you'll find, you'll have to fix it decently. Glues and foams are not the best solution, it's temporary at best.

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Old 02-10-2020, 03:43 PM   #4
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Default Re: Wagon water leak

On my wagon, I scrapped the factory calk out of the seams near the hinges. After cleaning I painted with POR15, then recaulked the seam. Worked good for me. I circled the seam I recaulked on your photo. Be sure to get as much of the seam as possible--remove the rubber seal, and get up between the roof and substructure also
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Old 02-10-2020, 06:00 PM   #5
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^^^^ Thanks - I will focus on that vertical seam as I really did not before.

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Old 02-10-2020, 10:50 PM   #6
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Default Re: Wagon water leak

i think if you search for 'leaky liftgate' you may see some contributions from Toggenberg & H Holbein....

1. wiper shaft grommet
2. clean sealing surface of the weatherstrip that runs perimeter whole opening;
wipe on some silicone spray to make good seal
3. seal the seams outside the hinges up top (as noted above)
4. It may (or not) help to seal both ends of the flexible 'rubber' conduit for the
wire harness (to the door & the roof, respectively)
3/4 fix the problem of water running on the top side of the flat top 2' X 4" trim plastic above the opening... then out the seam with the side trim piece, from the cable
5. As regards the leak into the bottom latch vicinity:
I have not yet addressed this; but am studying the problem. Currently
I place the bottom 1.5" section of a 1-gallon milk jug beneath the
latch (resting on the floor/fiberboard/carpet). This is drained after
each precip event -- must park on flat.
I have pretty much concluded that this area only gets wet when the
liftgate is not securely latched (it loose on weatherstrip). So I'm planning to
make adjustment to the rear latch, so that it 'pulls' the door tighter onto
weatherstrip. I'M SCARED TO DO THIS BECAUSE THE GLASS ON MY '97 SW
broke upon closure one day... and I'm afraid of causing extra shock, or
some such. But I'll probably do that after addressing some mechanical
issues. Take a look at the drain holes in the bottom of the liftgate-- they
seem like they ought to keep the latch vicinity dry IFF the weatherseal
contacts the door sealing surface.

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Old 02-12-2020, 08:55 PM   #7
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The seam design on these cars has never been the best.

Since you mentioned water in the two rear corners right behind the hatch, remove the fiberboard cover and tire and check the two wells in the corner below the tail lights. You may need to remove the interior trim to get good access, I don't recall. If there's water in there:

1) Remove the tail light assemblies
2) Locate the hidden body seams behind them. Note how they are upside down to ensure water flows into the car vs. being shed away. Pure GM genius.
3) Run a hose (low pressure ok) against the seam and see if you see a trickle of water pooling below. This water can grow a lot over time and end up saturating the felt sound pad, turning that into a fungus-fest
4) Slather some sealant (I used liberal amounts of clear silicone caulk) over the seam so little or no water penetrates.
5) Reassemble.
6) Report back!

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Old 02-15-2020, 01:27 AM   #8
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Default Re: Wagon water leak

As previously reported elsewhere, the horizontal plastic insert/tray which supports the license-plate lamp assemblies, can also ingest quite a bit of rainwater which washes down the outside of the liftgate.

The foam gasket seal dries up & leaks profusely. Some have installed a new elastic gasket of local manufacture.

I removed/cleaned the tray, also cleaned the mating surface of the liftgate, then coated the liftgate mating surface with GE silicone RTV sealant, and re-installed the tray, with silicone squeezing out all along (wiped clean). This worked for me, but removal would be a challenge.

Do Not slam the liftgate too energetically. My doorglass broke, required a trip to a junkyard, etc, etc.

So it takes a little maintenance to get caught up after 20 years of neglect.
Gotta love the corrosion-resistant plastic , yes?

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Old 02-16-2020, 02:17 AM   #9
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I bought a roll of clear Flex-Seal tape today. the logical place for a patching job is onto the two high seams. I noticed water collects on these seams and stays there in even the mildest rain. (I just became a Grandpa this evening as a side note).

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Old 02-16-2020, 11:48 AM   #10
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Congratulations. Time to brushup on diaper skills

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