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Old 01-31-2020, 10:33 PM   #1
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Default 1999 SL2 Manual Transmission/Clutch Issue

I have a 1999 SL2 Saturn with 195k miles on it.
3rd owner, bought at 95k miles on it.

What happened:
Drove to store just fine, after leaving parking lot and stopping a stop sign. I put in to first to go forward and it starts to move and right after letting clutch go 100% and i hear a pop. No more acceleration. So with car still running i pushed it to a safe zone and did some trouble shooting

I can push the peddle for the clutch and it feels OK. I can't say i feel a change in pressure but it goes down and comes up with no issue. I'm able to to move the shifter into all gears with out use of clutch peddle. BUT When going in to 4th or 5th i hear a slight rubbing/clicking but again car does not move.


Linkage Checked (replaced 1 year ago), the Shift pattern is still there. I did notice the rubber protecting the shift link wire was frayed but it moved the linkage on the trans when the shifter was moved from the inside of car.

No noticeable leaking, or a change in fluid level from clutch master cylinder.

Never have i noticed slipping during acceleration, jumping when engaging, or odd smells besides the normal oil burn of a 20 year old car.

Ill add on to that not all the time but once every other Sunday i will put it into revers and as i start to let the clutch up i hear winding like its just missing connection with the gears, so i take it out and back in gear and it goes fine after that. It , again does that rarely and has done that since i got the car and also after i changed the shift linkage change. Probably has nothing to do with it but that is the only thing i can add.

Question is; is it more likely the clutch wheel its self or the master cylinder that had failed causing it not to engage to move the car?

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Old 01-31-2020, 10:44 PM   #2
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Default Re: 1999 SL2 Manual Transmission/Clutch Issue

Most likely the passenger side half shaft has failed. Been there, done that, got the the shirt.

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Old 01-31-2020, 10:52 PM   #3
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Default Re: 1999 SL2 Manual Transmission/Clutch Issue

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Most likely the passenger side half shaft has failed. Been there, done that, got the the shirt.
Woah really confused now, your telling me it could be none of those and be a CV instead?

just double checking


I never feel a load or connection with the clutch when attempting to engage with engine. rpm don't change.

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Old 01-31-2020, 11:00 PM   #4
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Default Re: 1999 SL2 Manual Transmission/Clutch Issue

Not the CV but under a dampener on the shaft. Somebody here has a picture. What happens is the shaft snaps, then all the power goes to the broken shaft and nothing moves.

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Old 01-31-2020, 11:02 PM   #5
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Check this:
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...t=axle+snapped

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Old 01-31-2020, 11:11 PM   #6
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Default Re: 1999 SL2 Manual Transmission/Clutch Issue

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Check this:
I believe again we are on different pages, because my manual transmission doesn't grind gears when i don't use the clutch and move the shifter to random spots. No RPM change. stays at 800.

I'm not sure how that effects the events I'm experiencing because i cant even get it in gear.

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Old 01-31-2020, 11:22 PM   #7
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Ok, my misunderstanding. I would look for a broken shift cable then. Easy to check.

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Old 01-31-2020, 11:23 PM   #8
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Default Re: 1999 SL2 Manual Transmission/Clutch Issue

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Ok, my misunderstanding. I would look for a broken shift cable then. Easy to check.
Bro. lol. I checked it. thanks fer helping tho.

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Default Re: 1999 SL2 Manual Transmission/Clutch Issue

3 options if the shift cables are intact and moving things on both ends; in order of expense unless the hydraulics cost have come down by about $100 in the last 10 years.
1) Axle snapped, the one with the damper on it is junk because it rusts out the axle leading it to randomly snap and it's only found on the newer models.

2) Hydraulics failed in an odd way, do a wire-test:http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...78&postcount=1

3) Some sort of internal damage, either diff pin (quick check by checking for transmission fluid; long check via video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gqhGC5vKDY) or some other odd unlikely thing you might see with the shift tower off (4 bolts after the battery tray is removed :https://www.cristhomas.com/cars/Clutch/shiftTower.jpg.

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Old 02-01-2020, 12:04 PM   #10
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Default Re: 1999 SL2 Manual Transmission/Clutch Issue

If you are super sure the levers on top of the shift tower are moving when you move the shifter, then it could still be a broken axle. When mine broke I didn't think to try shifting without the clutch. Maybe the synchos (or friction cones) are able to get the gears up to speed so they engage without grinding. They would not have any resistance from the car.

Edit: I can't see the hydraulics failing with the clutch disengaged. A diff pin failure also seems unlikely and some other catastrophic failure would seem unusual.

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Old 02-01-2020, 03:01 PM   #11
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If you are super sure the levers on top of the shift tower are moving when you move the shifter, then it could still be a broken axle. When mine broke I didn't think to try shifting without the clutch. Maybe the synchos (or friction cones) are able to get the gears up to speed so they engage without grinding. They would not have any resistance from the car.

Edit: I can't see the hydraulics failing with the clutch disengaged. A diff pin failure also seems unlikely and some other catastrophic failure would seem unusual.

I'm not afraid to admit it and when your right your right, got the car home and jacked her up. axle broke passenger side. its amazing I'm able to shift in any gear without use of the clutch with the car on still and no grinding or noise, maybe another problem? but you were both correct and thank you.

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Old 02-01-2020, 05:30 PM   #12
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I bet that is the only problem. Glad you found it!

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