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View Poll Results: What should Saturn's next vehicle be?
Minivan (a la CV-1) 6 7.32%
Convertible (Sky) 18 21.95%
L-Based Coupe 15 18.29%
Hybrid (electric/gas) 14 17.07%
Pickup Truck 4 4.88%
Full-size V8 Sedan (Lincoln LS/300M) 2 2.44%
Hot Hatchback (Focus/CRX) 10 12.20%
Something else.... 13 15.85%
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Old 09-07-2001, 05:41 PM   #1
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Idea What should Saturn's NEXT products be...

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Old 09-07-2001, 06:32 PM   #2
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A Hybrid would allow Saturn to again show some "different" thinking.

I really believe that the engineers, if let alone, could make it a real winner.

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Old 09-07-2001, 06:56 PM   #3
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Hi Ron

There was a previous poll on an older version of this message board where a lot of people voted for building the SCT (an SC2 with a turbocharged motor).

I don't think Saturn has the money to do a hybrid, even though it would be a good fit (EV-1).

To be ahead of the curve for a change I think Saturn should build a hot Touring wagon. All kinds of wagons are being done by everyone from Subaru to Lexus to Mazda. I would prefer something compact and sporty like the Protege5, but since the SW2 is gone here is an old picture of an LW concept.

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Old 09-07-2001, 07:46 PM   #4
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I like the Euro Wagon, and voted for an L series coupe. Hey, how about the 2-door wagon Nomad concept someone else has mentioned. A 2-door Euro Wagon!

In truth, you could turn an LW into a Euro wagon with some big wheels and some custom painting of the black and chrome body parts. I think the LW's look mighty fine as they are in dark colours but in light ones, I think the Euro look is nice.

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Old 09-07-2001, 08:13 PM   #5
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Definitely a hatch-type vehicle. With the concerns over gas mileage, I have an inkling that those of us who are under 30 are more likely to buy a small hatchback/wagon than an SUV. Most current SUVs cost over $5000 more than a wagon of similar capacity, and mileage is usually 6-10mpg lower on the SUV. Then there is the performance aspect. Just don't doll it up with all kinds of "X"s or "MP3" type junk in the name.

When I buy my next vehicle (prob. about 15 months away), I will be strongly considering hatch/wagon type vehicles (Mazda Protege 5, Hyundai Elantra GT, Toyota Matrix, etc.), and ONLY those cars that have rear disc brakes and a decent power to weight ratio will be considered. I just want a driveable car that will hold my stuff.

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Old 09-07-2001, 10:02 PM   #6
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A sport compact 3 door and five door hatch based on the delta platform. I think smaller cars are going to make a comeback especially with the ecomnomy just being stagnat as it is. A friend of mine just got a protege5 16" chrome wheels and everything. I think people wan't more than just a sedan body style in a small car.

My second choice would be a L-series coupe. So many cars look like they came from the same styling dept. these days. And the majority of cars that are built are reliable and work well so style can make all the difference. look at the PT cruiser. A mediocre powertrain and it was (is) a major hit with a nicley styled wagon body.

I happen to think the 2002 SC2 is the best looking Saturn right now but it is priced to high especially with just a few options tacked on.

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Old 09-08-2001, 12:17 AM   #7
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I voted for the hybrid because I am beginning to believe that this country's economic problems may be a lot more serious and longer lasting than any of us wish. Since most of us live well beyond walking distance of our workplaces, I think the market for safe, small and efficient commuter cars is going to grow. It's not the scenario I prefer but I think it may be a realistic one. :o:

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Old 09-08-2001, 01:45 AM   #8
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I voted for the L-coupe. I think Saturn could tap into this market quite well if they offer a coupe as good or better than the Solara, Sebring/Avenger Coupes, Cougar, and Accord Coupes. If they can manage to keep the L-sedan Euro handling, braking, and ride attributes, and maintain clean, understated, somewhat aggressive styling, they could have a winner on their hands.

I absolutely LOVE the LW-Touring Concept. If they made it, it would be *THE* Saturn for me to own. Keep everything the same as the concept, except give me one in Bright Silver exterior and black leather interior.

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Old 09-08-2001, 02:31 AM   #9
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Its time for the coupe to have class leading performance again. A light pressure Turbo would be my choice...with the LPT you have an engine that behaves like a normal engine until you need the "afterburner". The LPT motors like Saab and Audi use get high praise from the media, Saturn could do the same thing. You get great reliabilty, power, mileage, driveability and reduced lag. And all on stock internals.

180HP to 240HP, 6Speed, 4wheeldisc, and not a hint of any "friendly" styling or chick consumer clinics!

A L-Coupe would be great too. But it needs more HP!! and a new front end.

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Old 09-08-2001, 06:54 AM   #10
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Something else . . . a RWD roadster with better front/rear weight balance. Something priced lower than the Miata, and not necessarily a convertible.

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Old 09-08-2001, 10:17 AM   #11
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I voted for a "L" series coupe. But only one with a V-6 with good HP/torque output will do. My next car will have to be bigger than my current '95 SC2 and I'd like to have a bigger, more muscular (not musclecar) Saturn coupe to move up to.

Saturn I really hope you are listening, I like the car company but the current products do not excite me. Build a hot coupe/2dr hatch (really any size will do). Then, advertise the heck out of the CAR not the company (everyone alreadly likes the company).

Do this and a new generation of satisfied Saturn owners will be "born".

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Old 09-08-2001, 10:53 PM   #12
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I'd like a wider range of s- series such that the vehicle appeals to a wider demographic. Push the edges a bit into new markets.

For example:

-- go after the performance enthusiast by adding a high end SC3 with more aggressive looks, wheels/tires, handling package, distinctive graphics and more power, possibly the add of a supercharger to the normal engine.

-- go after those who want an upscale, luxurious small car by adding a high end SL3 with a more refined interior, acoustics. possibly add some distinctive badging/graphics as well.

-- go after the entry buyer with a bit more refined car for about the same money now.

-- I'd love to see a 2-seat utility vehicle (e.g. mini-pickup) based on the s-series. If any of you remember the Subaru BRAT, that's sort of the concept. Key here is that the mileage/size needs to be in the current s-series range to carve out its own niche in the market.

-- My wife wants to see a Saturn bigger than the L-series.

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Old 09-09-2001, 09:22 AM   #13
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I like the Brat type vehicle idea. The main reason why I won't get a pick up is because it would handle like a pick up and I like driving for the fun of it. The commute is the best part of my workday. It would also be pretty cool do have something that looks like nothing else. There are two vehicles that are close to your idea coming out.

- The Chevy SSR, but it will be a convertible hardtop with RWD and a V8 therefore priced in the high 20k range.

- A 4-door Subaru with a short pick up bed based on the Legacy platform I believe, it was just on speedvision yesterday during a 1/2 hour subaru infomercial program. It was all wheel drive of course but the ride hieght and platform where closer to a car than a four door pick up.

I can't see either of those vehicles being under 20 grand though, so a S-series based two door with a small bed would seem to be in it's own market segment and perfect as a commuter vehicle with decent handling and gas mileage, yet able to do light pick up duty that every homeowner occasionaly needs. I think it could look really good also.

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Old 09-09-2001, 10:43 PM   #14
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Make something cool, quick, and cutting edge like the Matrix or Vibe and we can talk. These are really neat cars and seem to offer a lot of the versatility that the mini-youts do, without the sloppy handling and poor MPG.

180 HP and a 6 speed - if only GM would wake up...

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Old 09-10-2001, 02:35 AM   #15
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About the poll: I chose the L-Series coupe. I got to ride in my friend's 5 speed 2001 SC2. It felt nice, but still could be a little larger in leg and head room. If they made a coupe with a V6 and 5 (or even 6...*drool*) speed transmission...they could really start to have a serious competitor to the Solara and Accord coupe.

piney: Nissan's getting close to that with their new 2002 Altima - certainly an option in my search for a new 5 speed.

The *4 cylinder* engine pumps out 175hp@6,000RPM (they've been saying 180 in the magazines), with 181 ft-lbs of torque@4,000RPM. In comparison, the L300 is a V6 engine with 182hp@5,600RPM, and 190 ft-lbs of torque@3,600RPM. So even the 4 cylinder Altima might be a good choice if I didn't want to spend lots of extra money. I do plan to test drive both engines.

The big news though, and if I decide I have to have the bigger engine....a 3.5 liter DOHC V6, with 240hp@5,800RPM, and 246 ft-lbs of torque@4,400RPM. *AND* it comes standard with a 5 speed manual transmission. Saturn (and Toyota, to some degree - I think their new 2002 Camry won't come with a stick/V6 option) need to wake up and see what's out there. At least 3 cars - The Altima, Maxima, and Camry Solara come with a 5 speed mated to the V6 engine. Obviously *someone* wants this combination.

On a different note, I saw a review and pictures online of the Toyota Matrix, and while it looks ok (there's a Pontiac, I think, that looks very similar to it) on the inside (nice racecar-like pedals), I can't say much for the exterior styling. It seems like a smaller car too, which wouldn't work for me (just judging by the note I saw that said it's closer in size to a Corolla rather than a Camry.)

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Old 09-10-2001, 08:03 AM   #16
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I like the SC3 idea. Make it a V6, turbo or super charge it, and make it AWD. Something kind of like the Eclipse/Talon. You could do the same thing with an SL, like subaru did with the wrx and mitsubishi is doing with the lancer.

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Old 09-10-2001, 10:19 AM   #17
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Saturn should introduce the following 4 vehicles:

1) A convertible roadster, though not one as cutsie as the Sky. The roadster would be a high-performance model, maybe with a turbo/supercharged 4 or V6, built in limited numbers to ensure a certain exclusivity. If it's cost effective, make it RWD.

2) A "Sport-Trac" type model of the VUE. This would give Saturn a nice selection of crossover vehicles, allowing them to compete in what is becoming a very popular vehicle class. Maybe somewhere down the line, Saturn could offer a VUE with a canvas top.

3) An L-Series coupe. This would give Saturn a nicely rounded midsized selection. The L-Coupe would be more driver-oriented than even the L300.

4) A Sport Wagon along the lines of the Pontiac Vibe and built off the Delta platform. It would complement the S-Series, and be available in FWD and AWD.

I wish, I hope, I wish, I hope, I wish, I hope, I wish, I hope...

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Old 09-10-2001, 12:57 PM   #18
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With a money no object , an L-series coupe and convertible combo would be great. Even better with the 4.2 litre Inline 6 and rear wheel drive. Of course that would cost billions of dollars to develope. But had GM developed this instead of the Aztec and Lumina minivan abortions, they would be riding high.

As for small cars, how about an S-series convertible and hatchback.

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Old 09-10-2001, 08:39 PM   #19
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Amen, JimC93SW2! I selected "other" with precisely that in mind. Sport wagons are hot!

I agree that an L-coupe would help to generate L-series excitement, though the Nissan Maxima has done it without a coupe. I think that subtle option packages for the L-series would go a long way to change the way people think about the cars (in wagon as well as sedan -- or possible coupe-- offerings).

For example, the vast majority of Maxima buyers buy the car with an auto tranny. But to offer the car with a stick says "this is a performance car, though you may be a wuss and get it with an automatic if you like."

Also a hot version of the S-series is imperative to boost the excitement for that car even if they don't sell many in that version. I have seen no more than two Honda Civic Si's on the road, yet ask a person how the S series compares to the Civic and comparisons to the Si start appearing on this message board.

That being said, I hope Saturn continues to be a company that offers sensible cars... if they produce cars that get crummy gas mileage, or hulking SUV's they lose a lot of what makes them Saturn, in my opinion. They need to be leaders in safety and environmental-mindedness, but those things don't have to be mutually exclusive with excitement.

But please, Saturn, the L-series wagon is a great, hot car that needs to be marketed as such, during this time of resurgence of sporty wagons. A sport/touring/performance version of the LW300 with a nice body kit and 16/17 inch rims, etc and available stick should really get some attention.

And bring back the SW with a similar excitement package in mind and you'll have a hit.

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Old 09-13-2001, 03:19 PM   #20
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after test driving a miata, my vote is that saturn should copy the mx-5 miata using the 95-96 sc2 body with the 1.9L twincam rotated 90 degrees to make it rear drive. lose the struts and use double wishbones on each corner. use the space where the rear seat was to fold the top into so it will not eat into the trunk space.

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