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Old 04-13-2010, 12:18 PM   #1
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Default My Saturn Burns Oil ... When to accept it?

A couple of items ... 99 SL2 Automatic 196k miles


I have had this car for about 6 years based on when I registered for this forum. Its been driven about 65k miles during that time. Currently burns 1qt of oil per 500-600 miles.

Things I have done over the years ...
4 MMO soaks
3 Seafoam soaks
2 times MMO in the oil before oil change
1 time Seafoam in the oil before oil change
3 Spray carb cleaner down to spark plug holes to help dissolve carbon (Don't recommend people doing this one though)

Just started driving the car again. First tank got ~35mpg with mixed driving and some spirited driving while adjusting the drum brakes. I have noticed that after the carb cleaner, it is easier to manually turn the crankshaft.

I know others have used ATF fluid, auto RX, etc in the crank, but I'm done putting "additives" in the oil. My question is how long should I used Mobil 1 synthetic oil ... 1, 2 or more oil changes? I want to know how long should I wait to see if Mobil 1 help reduce oil consumption, else I will give up and use the cheap oil and do 3k oil changes and top off the oil as necessary.

Obviously, a re-ring is out of the question

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Old 04-13-2010, 12:24 PM   #2
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I have repaired / replaced / cleaned most everything else

ECTS
Throttle
Entire brake system
Put in dealer PCV
Exhaust
O2 sensor
Spark plugs and wireset
All fluids / oils
Throttle body
Inside fuse box




Things I refuse to replace

Struts ...seems okay, tires wear evenly, expensive and don't want to get an alignment
Engine mounts (all 4) ... b/c cost exceeds benefits

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Old 04-13-2010, 01:01 PM   #3
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if your not willing to get it fixed then you may have to accept it. I got over 450,000 miles before mine started to use oil excessively...and I drive over 435 miles a day five days a week. The only way you are going to get to stop the excessive oil burning is to get the oil drain back holes drilled into your pistons or replace them with new pistons with extra holes already drilled into them. Using synthetic oil at this stage (1 quart for every 500 miles) is burning money through your exhaust pipe! Also replace your oil valve seals.

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Old 04-13-2010, 01:04 PM   #4
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Also not replacing your struts/shocks at the recommended time is like playing with fire! sooner or later you will get burned.

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Old 04-13-2010, 01:12 PM   #5
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If I were to replace the struts, I would buy the monroe quick struts x 4 = ~$600. Alignment is extra $75. Use any special discounts (i.e. buy 3 get 1 free or 15% off) and total out of pocket cost to fix would be ~$500


Can you help give me a few good reasons to replace b/c I want to buy them but cannot find any good reason to. I do want to install new struts but the car is worth some 1000 - 2000 only. Body is a little dinged up

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Old 04-13-2010, 01:20 PM   #6
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not replacing your struts will place more wear and tear on your brakes( shoes,pads,rotors,calipers), excessive tire wear, these are normal maintence items that need to be done, why pay more frequently because of not replacing shocks/struts. (also,springs last longer than shocks,DIY and you will find it will be cheaper...I found that out after I spent close to $800.00 to have mine replaced!) Also consider what you are using your vehicle for and how long you are going to keep it.

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Old 04-13-2010, 01:44 PM   #7
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The only way you are going to get to stop the excessive oil burning is to get the oil drain back holes drilled into your pistons or replace them with new pistons with extra holes already drilled into them. Using synthetic oil at this stage (1 quart for every 500 miles) is burning money through your exhaust pipe! Also replace your oil valve seals.
I have a little over 100,000 miles on my rebuilt engine and 50,000+ miles on another. No drain back holes. Doesnt burn any noticable amount of oil. I put four quarts in, 3000-4000 miles later four quarts comes out.

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Old 04-13-2010, 01:55 PM   #8
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Heh that's cool! I put on 100,000 miles a year, the shop doing the rebuild told me that pistons used for replacement already come with the extra holes. Most people on here don't drive the amount of miles I do. I'm looking forward to switching over to synthetic oil and it's benefits. Not to mention new life in a motor and not getting embarassed at a stop light when pulling away and watching my Satty fog for mosquitos!

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Old 04-13-2010, 02:48 PM   #9
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Also not replacing your struts/shocks at the recommended time is like playing with fire! sooner or later you will get burned.
If you drive the amount of miles you do then yes it is important. the struts on my 1995 are the originals and they suit my needs. I drive 40 miles a day max.

Like the other fella on here, cost is way more than I am interested in spending, when whats already there serves it's purpous.

As for the oil consumption, it's just something any saturn owner is at risk of having to accept. I use a little in my original engine in my 1995 at 152K, probably around a quart 1K to 1200, which is not bad.

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Old 04-13-2010, 02:50 PM   #10
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If I were to replace the struts, I would buy the monroe quick struts x 4 = ~$600. Alignment is extra $75. Use any special discounts (i.e. buy 3 get 1 free or 15% off) and total out of pocket cost to fix would be ~$500


Can you help give me a few good reasons to replace b/c I want to buy them but cannot find any good reason to. I do want to install new struts but the car is worth some 1000 - 2000 only. Body is a little dinged up
Don't then. Your car will never be undriveable with worn, blown, tired struts. It will handle like crap and ride like poo, but if you don't want to spend the $ and are happy with the ride, leave them.

I like new struts (did fronts on my 96 a few months ago) but I went with just bare struts, not those overpriced quick strut scams.

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Old 04-13-2010, 02:51 PM   #11
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Let's get back to my original question. Should I try Mobil 1 synthetic for a couple of oil changes OR give up and just stick to the dino oil, top off as necessary.


I cannot repair the the piston rings since that is way too involved and expensive. A half quart of oil cost an extra 50 cents per fill up (300 miles).

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Old 04-13-2010, 03:21 PM   #12
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does synthetic oil look blue coming out of the exhaust or is it a different color? If it was me and had to choose i would stick with the cheapest dino I could find, send an invoice to the county or state government for insect fogging and call it a day.

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Old 04-13-2010, 08:26 PM   #13
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No visible or significant smoke comes out of the exhaust. I just want to know if others have tried synthetic oil and did it help reduce oil consumption due to better "cleaning agents".

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Old 04-13-2010, 08:56 PM   #14
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I think the most "magic" oil for rehabbing that I tried was the Castrol Syntec 0W30 European blend. This was the green colored oil that was only available stateside at Autozone in the early 2000s and got a lot of following on BITOG. They pooled funds and had it analyzed in depth, apparently the Germans had some interesting additives in there.

It subsequently was switched to a gold (the oil, not the bottle) color in the 2006 time frame and may still be available.
Important to note that none of the other Castrol Syntecs are like this. It is made in Germany and only the 0W30 grade has this formulation.

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Let's get back to my original question. Should I try Mobil 1 synthetic for a couple of oil changes OR give up and just stick to the dino oil, top off as necessary.


I cannot repair the the piston rings since that is way too involved and expensive. A half quart of oil cost an extra 50 cents per fill up (300 miles).
Sometimes using the synthetic oil loosens up all the gunk and makes the engine burn much more oil. I wish I had never put synthetic in my 1996 SW2. I have since returned to regular oil and will continue to use that, topping off as needed.

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Should not hurt to try synthetic, unless the accumualted crud is preventing other oil leaks at seals and gaskets.

You might see an increase in consumption for an OCI or three as the cleaning process contrinues, but that increase should end when the cleaning is complete and you might be fortunate and see an overall decrease in consumption.

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I'd reconsider using Autorx. It's not nearly as expensive as a rebuild and it certainly has made improvements for many. It should have a better chance of making an improvement than Mobile 1 does. The cost of Autorx and 8 quarts of Penz yellow bottle is probably close to the same or less than 8 quarts of M1 (an Autorx cleaning cycle is two oil changes). Make sure you use a larger filter like the Motorcraft FL400s that's less likely to clog if a lot of gunk comes out.

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Things I refuse to replace

Struts ...seems okay, tires wear evenly, expensive and don't want to get an alignment
Engine mounts (all 4) ... b/c cost exceeds benefits
You're happy driving a car with blown motor mounts? Cost/Benefit? I found a good used one at a junk yard for $5 or so, it's easy to check that it's good. Takes 15 minutes to change and makes a HUGE difference in how the motor runs and drives. Sounds like an awesome cost/benefit to me. Richpin has a video for the upper mount.

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Old 04-15-2010, 10:16 AM   #19
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Concerning motor mounts, I prefer to buy new since the last saturn produced was in 2002 (1.9L engine) so that makes the motor mount at least 8 years old. Also, we don't have any pick-n-pull junk yards around here. They're all really anal about taking parts off cars yourself.

New, the 4 mounts from local auto parts store is $130 before any discounts.

I would consider the polyurethane inserts but I don't know if my dog bones are compatible since I have a used engined install before I purhcased the car

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You sure you need all 4?

Top mount was about $35, new, though you may need to look around to find a solid (non-frown) mount

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