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Old 08-26-2009, 05:15 PM   #1
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It appears to be slinging fluid onto the firewall. Hmmmm. Time to check the fluid weekly at least.

Just for kicks I priced a manual rack from Rock Auto, it is quite a bit higher than the power steering rack! Must be because most of these cars have PS. In fact, PS was free on my car (1997) as part of a special deal.

I wonder if JY have manual racks? I would rather change racks and get rid of the PS than put money in the PS system. I guess I live life as simply as possible.

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Old 08-26-2009, 06:05 PM   #2
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Why not just replace the power steering pump with a used one?

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Old 08-26-2009, 06:11 PM   #3
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Rebuilt ones are pretty cheap.
$60 exchange IIRC.

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Old 08-26-2009, 07:07 PM   #4
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Because I wouldn't have bought PS in the first place, except it was free. Manual steering is OK by me.
In a couple years, when the pump starts actually dribbling fluid, I'll look at it again.

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Old 08-26-2009, 07:26 PM   #5
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Because I wouldn't have bought PS in the first place, except it was free. Manual steering is OK by me.
In a couple years, when the pump starts actually dribbling fluid, I'll look at it again.

Or, you could just replace the $12 seal in the pump and maintain your car properly. The shaft seal leaks on the pumps and causes the stripe of fluid you see. Should take an amateur about an hour to replace it. Changing out your rack to a manual one over replacing a simple seal is downright moronic. Don't know if you have vehicle inspections in your state or not, but you would fail a NYS Safety Inspection with that leak.

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Old 08-26-2009, 08:27 PM   #6
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I replaced the seal on my Power Steering Pump with a $7 Timken brand one from RockAuto. Works just fine. In my case, I didn't need to remove the hoses, just the mounting bolts and the pulley -- see this thread, and check out Richpin's videos on the topic on Youtube.

http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...ferrerid=49827

Two more tips:

1) Check to see whether the ATF fluid reservoir on top of the pump is at the right level, parking on a level surface and using the reservoir's side markings as the guide. I find using the dipstick makes it easy to overfill the white plastic reservoir, and this causes overpressure and aggravates leaks out the pulley shaft.

If it is overfilled, try removing some with a turkey baster. It may cause your problem to abate.

2) Likely your PS/ATF fluid is aging/burnt/brown if you haven't flushed it 5-6 times via draining/refilling the reservoir. (Famous turkey baster method.) This is a good excuse to use a quality synthetic ATF, since a quart will more
than cover the drains/refill cycles.

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Old 08-26-2009, 08:44 PM   #7
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In my case, I didn't need to remove the hoses, just the mounting bolts and the pulley
It's not just in your case, you don't have to remove any hoses from ANY S Series p/s pump to change out the seal. Remove the belt, then the mounting bolts for the pump, pull the pump straight up, remove the pulley, replace the seal and put it back together. Nothin to it.

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Old 08-26-2009, 11:08 PM   #8
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$7 for a seal? Now you're talking!!!

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You can't put a manual rack in a power steering car without changing the connector (for lack of a better term) between the rack and the steering column. I'd have power steering back in my '93 if I hadn't lost the power steering connector. The old rack didn't leak, I had the stupid idea that a manual rack was better. If nothing else, with the power steering and A/C gone the pair of 12" subs in the trunk shouldn't add any weight over stock

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Old 08-27-2009, 09:29 AM   #10
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/\ thanks, you answered an old question of mine, about compatibility.

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You can't put a manual rack in a power steering car without changing the connector (for lack of a better term) between the rack and the steering column. I'd have power steering back in my '93 if I hadn't lost the power steering connector. The old rack didn't leak, I had the stupid idea that a manual rack was better. If nothing else, with the power steering and A/C gone the pair of 12" subs in the trunk shouldn't add any weight over stock
I'm a little curious. If the PS rack develops a leak, or the pump fails, can you just run the car without the pump connected, i.e., pull the pulley off, get a smaller serpentine belt, and just use the PS components in manual mode??? Obviously, it'll be harder to steer at low speeds......

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I'm a little curious. If the PS rack develops a leak, or the pump fails, can you just run the car without the pump connected, i.e., pull the pulley off, get a smaller serpentine belt, and just use the PS components in manual mode??? Obviously, it'll be harder to steer at low speeds......
It's not that much harder to steer then a manual rack. I blew up the first pump in my old '97 SC1 due to it leaking and me not caring enough about it to refill or fix it. Ran with a shorter belt for 4-5 months before I got annoyed by it and put another pump in it.

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