SaturnFans.com
what's new (beta) - classifieds - forums - photos


Go Back   SaturnFans.com Forums > Categories > How-To Library
Register FAQ Members List Groups Calendar Chat Room Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-12-2007, 09:15 PM   #21
madpogue
Super Member
madpogue has much to be proud ofmadpogue has much to be proud ofmadpogue has much to be proud ofmadpogue has much to be proud ofmadpogue has much to be proud ofmadpogue has much to be proud ofmadpogue has much to be proud ofmadpogue has much to be proud of
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Madison, WI USA
Posts: 25,715
 

1996 SW2
Default Re: Steam Cleaning Your Engine Cylinders

"You are in a helicopter." (Bonus points for anyone who knows the reference...)

The above post is all true, but irrelevant to this thread. This thread is not about "pouring water into the cylinders" (which, of course, would be impossible in a running engine anyway). That's not what happens when you draw Seafoam or anything water-based into the intake manifold. When you do, and it's drawn into the combustion chambers, it BOILS in the heat of the engine (this is why you START the procedure with a HOT engine), and enters as STEAM, which, given its pressure, blasts the coked-up deposits loose. As for removing lubrication, even if it happened, each cylinder wall would be re-lubricated on the very next up-stroke of the piston.

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to madpogue's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help madpogue reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
madpogue is offline   Reply With Quote
SaturnFans.com Sponsored Links
Old 04-20-2007, 05:51 AM   #22
Jim Dunlop
Member
Jim Dunlop is on a distinguished road
 
Jim Dunlop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Lake Mills, WI
Posts: 316
 

2002 SL
1998 SL
Default Re: Steam Cleaning Your Engine Cylinders

Quote:
Putting water down the cylinders is a bad idea, as it would also remove lubricant from the cylinder walls.
If you're worried about water de-lubricating your engine, you shouldn't run gasoline through your engine.

Octane is a much better solvent for motor oil than water is. Also, water is a combustion product of octane...so there is plenty of steam in your engine anyhow. This procedure just adds more "punch"...and it's not like you're doing it all day long. The volume expansion ratio of liquid water to steam is around 1,500(!), whereas the steam produced by octane combustion should already be in the vapor phase.

Quote:
I haven't been able to find the Seafoam in CA either. It may be that certain parts of the state have it, I don't know.
Watch out for those Eco-Terrorists...I think you are less likely to get bumped off by a hit job if you use water to clean your engine instead of a solvent-based cleaner. I used to work in the aerosol industry so I know what it's like to be the victim of chemophobic hate speech.

I, for one, am going to give this steam procedure a try!

...
2002 SL 1.9L SOHC 5-spd mods:
-Custom HAI
-K&N Airbox Filter
-Custom Air Dam
-PCV Catch Can
-Drilled & slotted rotors
-14x6 König Incident's, Yoko AVID's
-Grille Block (aluminum)
SCS! DD.

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to Jim Dunlop's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help Jim Dunlop reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
Jim Dunlop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2007, 07:52 PM   #23
TwinRevver
Advanced Member
TwinRevver is on a distinguished road
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Toledo, OHIO!
Posts: 925

1995 SL2
1995 SL1
Default Re: Steam Cleaning Your Engine Cylinders

Of all the posts here are correct to a degree. First of all, when u pour or spray in a hose sucking air, it "atomized" with the air to create tiny droplets. Heat from heated intake mani converts to steam in the process of entering the combustion area.

A 1987 VW Jetta with more than 350,00 miles head gasket finally gave away at cylinder #1. It still ran albeit rough chugging. Upon teardown of the head shown #1 cylinder the SHINIEST of all. Other three were very dull and had some light carbonizations.

So, steam chugging does work wonders. Think about the Scuzii(sp) little red teapot steamer cleaning ur kitchen and clothes stains.

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to TwinRevver's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help TwinRevver reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
TwinRevver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-2008, 04:32 PM   #24
Drdla99SL2
New Member
Drdla99SL2 is on a distinguished road
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: TORONTO
Posts: 8

1999 SL2
Default Re: Steam Cleaning Your Engine Cylinders

You guys are absolutely crazy. Putting water into the combustion chamber? Most people would do anything to AVOID getting water in the combustion chamber. Firstly, when performing this procedure you are putting air into the engine that is dirty and not going through an airfilter. Secondly, putting water in you engine will cause you bigger problems than anything. When you spray the water in the TB it goes into the cylinder which is superhot creating steam on the induction stroke. The water evaporates turning into steam taking up more volume. So when the piston comes up again to TDC guess what? You are not only compressing the AF mixture but also this steam creating a higher compression which could potentially f%*& things up inside your engine. Instead of this use a product DESIGNED to clean your engine(such as seafoam or forte).


Anyways goodluck!

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to Drdla99SL2's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help Drdla99SL2 reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
Drdla99SL2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2008, 05:40 PM   #25
Telyx
Member
Telyx is on a distinguished road
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Garden City, MI USA
Posts: 108

2002 SL
Default Re: Steam Cleaning Your Engine Cylinders

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drdla99SL2 View Post
You guys are absolutely crazy. Putting water into the combustion chamber? Most people would do anything to AVOID getting water in the combustion chamber. Firstly, when performing this procedure you are putting air into the engine that is dirty and not going through an airfilter. Secondly, putting water in you engine will cause you bigger problems than anything. When you spray the water in the TB it goes into the cylinder which is superhot creating steam on the induction stroke. The water evaporates turning into steam taking up more volume. So when the piston comes up again to TDC guess what? You are not only compressing the AF mixture but also this steam creating a higher compression which could potentially f%*& things up inside your engine. Instead of this use a product DESIGNED to clean your engine(such as seafoam or forte).


Anyways goodluck!
"Absolutely crazy?" Sure, and I'd believe any of them. They know what happens when you put water in an engine, and that's why they recommend small amounts, not enough to damage anything. And the air won't be "dirty" enough to worry about if you don't do this during a sandstorm or near a dirt road.

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to Telyx's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help Telyx reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
Telyx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2008, 06:59 PM   #26
Drdla99SL2
New Member
Drdla99SL2 is on a distinguished road
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: TORONTO
Posts: 8

1999 SL2
Default Re: Steam Cleaning Your Engine Cylinders

All I'm saying is there are product DESIGNED to clean your engine much better than a so called "steam clean". The cost roughly $10 and work very well. Last time I checked at my dealership we never offered a steam clean service

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to Drdla99SL2's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help Drdla99SL2 reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
Drdla99SL2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2014, 04:27 AM   #27
pappy_mcfae
New Member
pappy_mcfae is on a distinguished road
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 5
 
Default Re: Steam Cleaning Your Engine Cylinders

Anyone who has ever had to change a head gasket because coolant was leaking into the combustion chamber knows full well just how good of a job high pressure steam does in cleaning the top of the piston, and the bottom of the valves.

The twist I always use with this process is to atomize 50/50 mix of coolant and water. Using a vacuum T with one port open allows air into the mix. That helps insure you won't suffer the woes of hydrolock with a running engine. It fogs bugs big time, too.

Cheers,
Pappy

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to pappy_mcfae's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help pappy_mcfae reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
pappy_mcfae is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Steam Cleaning Qustion mgordon1100 S-Series Tech 9 07-15-2007 04:47 PM
Engine Cleaning StormTrackVUE Vue General 4 07-10-2006 07:41 PM
Cleaning the Engine impaler Vue General 24 05-25-2006 04:14 PM
water - Steam cleaning a 2.2L engine bgsneeze Ion General 5 12-02-2005 01:01 AM
Engine seems to be running on 3 cylinders Mike H S-Series Tech 3 05-04-2005 09:22 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:35 PM.

Advanced Forum Search | Advanced Photo Search


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SaturnFans.com. The Saturn Enthusiasts Site.