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Old 10-21-2015, 12:59 PM   #1
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Default 2001 sc2 new clutch master cylinder now no pressure on clutch

So I just had to replace the clutch master cylinder on my 01 saturn. The part was $140 but I was able to find one used for $25. After putting it in it seemed just fine. Good clutch pressure and shifted good. After about 30 feet into driving I noticed that my clutch had absolutely no pressure all the way to the floor. Also my gear shifter had no pressure going from 1st to 2nd but would not budge right into 3rd now the car I believe is stuck in gear and I'm having this problem. After inspecting the slave cylinder there is no bleeder valve. Does that sound like air in the system? Any help would be appreciated thank you.

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Old 10-21-2015, 01:50 PM   #2
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Default Re: 2001 sc2 new clutch master cylinder now no pressure on clutch

Unless you did your homework, a clutch master/slave unit without a bleed screw would require some familiarity to bleed a system otherwise they should be replaced as a unit. Since you bought a used master with no guarantee, its a coin toss whether or not the master or slave is worn out at this point. Wear and tear occurs to both at the same time since the slave mimics what the master does. Other cars will have a bleed screw to help but this doesn't mean an automatic repair. And at this point, with no mileage mentioned for reference, once clutch hydraulics are discussed, clutch wear and a tear down to address clutch replacement usually means replacing everything all at one time; clutch disc, throw out bearing, pressure plate, the entire hydraulic system - master and slave unit otherwise revisiting this repair is inevitable instead of replacing everything all in one session. Very few can replace one part and be successful. You just found out something else is wrong.........

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Old 10-21-2015, 02:16 PM   #3
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Default Re: 2001 sc2 new clutch master cylinder now no pressure on clutch

Thank you @fdryer. The car had 120k on it but the original problem on the old master cylinder unit was the rod that connects from the back of the clutch to the firewall was in like a bushing but the bushing wore out looks like and the rod fell out and you can't jjust get that part to replace so you have to replace the entire master cylinder. Would the symptoms I described be possible air in the line? Being no clutch pressure engaged in a gear and 0 pressure between 1st and 2nd and will not budge right to go into 3rd? Thabks again.

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Old 10-21-2015, 04:21 PM   #4
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Default Re: 2001 sc2 new clutch master cylinder now no pressure on clutch

Clarify: When it won't shift, is the engine running? If the engine is not running, clutch operation usually has little-to-no effect on shifting. Do the clutch "wire test", that will tell clearly if the hydraulics are working.

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Thank you @fdryer. The car had 120k on it but the original problem on the old master cylinder unit was the rod that connects from the back of the clutch to the firewall was in like a bushing but the bushing wore out looks like and the rod fell out and you can't jjust get that part to replace so you have to replace the entire master cylinder. Would the symptoms I described be possible air in the line? Being no clutch pressure engaged in a gear and 0 pressure between 1st and 2nd and will not budge right to go into 3rd? Thabks again.
So you're using a new clutch master cylinder with an old slave unit and missing a bushing? And the car has 120k miles? You're discovering worn out parts...... No matter what you do, you're working on worn parts. As suggested, perform whatever test to help you determine what's wrong because you're now knee deep into clutch hydraulics and possible worn clutch. One does not fail without the other right behind it. In other words once the engine and xmission are separated, clutch hydraulics along with a new clutch are recommended to ensure you don't revisit this again if you ignore clutch hydraulics. Good hydraulics last long after clutches are replaced but no one guarantees them to last another 120k miles so while the xmission is separated, replace hydraulics at the same time. Your choice.

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Default Re: 2001 sc2 new clutch master cylinder now no pressure on clutch

At $25, I don't think it is even a new M/C...

Edit: Yep, just noticed in the OP that is was "used".

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