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Old 09-14-2005, 05:52 PM   #1
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Default Getting the Bolt Off the End of the Crankshaft

This one seems to come up often enough in the tech forum that there probably should be a How-To for it. I haven't used all these methods, but others have posted that they have. The bolt is torqued to 159 ftlbs.

DO NOT USE HEAT!!! There are seals there that would be most likely be affected. This is a normal bolt not left hand threads...turn counter clockwise.

Use a long breaker bar with a two foot piece of pipe as a cheater hold the pulley still with a crowbar. I've managed to get one loose this way.

Same as above but with an extention and a piece of wood holding the head of the breaker bar up for leverage.

Five to 10 minutes with an impact wrench. Be sure you are using an impact socket.

Jam the breaker bar into the ground and bump the starter. It does turn the right way to get it off.

Get the pulley held with a crowbar, jam the breaker bar into the ground, and lower the car.

Use a small hydraulic jack against the end of the breaker bar handle

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Old 09-16-2005, 01:56 AM   #2
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Default Re: Getting the Bolt Off the End of the Crankshaft

i used a 5 foot long cheater bar...

anyway another way to keep the crankshaft from turning(as i did). for manual transmission only. with the transmission still connected to the engine(and perferably having a second person to hold the engine down if removed from vehicle). remove transmission shift cover. assuming the transmission is in neutral, you should see this - http://www.saturnfans.com/photos/sho...p/photo/16757/ those three things in the middle are the shift forks, they are what apply each gear(as selected by the shifter) each fork controls two gears(one up, one down, center is nether, just like your shifter) move the shift forks manually(flathead screwdriver helps) so you are in two gears at the same time, as in this photo - http://www.saturnfans.com/photos/sho...p/photo/16758/ any two gears, it doesn't matter which. this will bind up the transmission and thru the clutch lock the crankshaft in place.

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Old 09-16-2005, 05:55 PM   #3
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Default Re: Getting the Bolt Off the End of the Crankshaft

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i used a 5 foot long cheater bar...

anyway another way to keep the crankshaft from turning(as i did). for manual transmission only. with the transmission still connected to the engine(and perferably having a second person to hold the engine down if removed from vehicle). remove transmission shift cover. assuming the transmission is in neutral, you should see this - http://www.saturnfans.com/photos/sho...p/photo/16757/ those three things in the middle are the shift forks, they are what apply each gear(as selected by the shifter) each fork controls two gears(one up, one down, center is nether, just like your shifter) move the shift forks manually(flathead screwdriver helps) so you are in two gears at the same time, as in this photo - http://www.saturnfans.com/photos/sho...p/photo/16758/ any two gears, it doesn't matter which. this will bind up the transmission and thru the clutch lock the crankshaft in place.
Why not just put the tranny in 5th gear and have someone hold the brakes? Easier and doesnt put much strain on the drive line
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Old 09-16-2005, 11:52 PM   #4
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Default Re: Getting the Bolt Off the End of the Crankshaft

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Why not just put the tranny in 5th gear and have someone hold the brakes? Easier and doesnt put much strain on the drive line
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that may work, but i already had the engine out

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Old 06-07-2014, 09:51 PM   #5
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Default Re: Getting the Bolt Off the End of the Crankshaft

No pry bars need apply...

1. Remove the plastic splash guard. Go to any tire shop and give them a few $$ to loosen the bolt then snug it enough to get home. When the work is complete return and have them tighten it.

2. If you have a compressor go to a hose shop and have them make an 7' 1/2" or 3/4" ID hose. Remove the air fitting on your gun and screw the hose directly into the gun and pull the trigger.

3. Buy the Earth Quake gun from Harbor Frieight - designed for low pressure compressors. Only needs ~ 120 psi.

4. buy a compressor that goes to 150 or 175 psi and regulator to match. Plug in something like my 20 year old standard 450 ft lbs "peace maker" impact gun and screw the short 3/4 ID hose directly into the gun. Set regulator to 165 psi pull the trigger and it will break the bolt and remove it literately in a split second.

BTW, some heat from a torch (or heat gun similar to a hair dryer) applied directly to the bolt will help break the bond of the factory applied loctite (if the bolt is heated to about 450 degrees) and can be helpful but allow the bolt to cool as heat enlarges it. But as open flames and gas don't mix just save time and go to the tire shop.

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Old 07-23-2014, 11:07 PM   #6
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Default Re: Getting the Bolt Off the End of the Crankshaft

Nailed that thing with an impact wrench and breaker bar plus pipe... nothing.... one try with the starter bump... off.. so easy i was disgusted at how my feeble arms and cheater bar didn't work!!!

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Why not just put the tranny in 5th gear and have someone hold the brakes? Easier and doesnt put much strain on the drive line
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This wont work for an Automatic, The only was I was able to get mine off was bumping the starter with a breaker bar on the end, My impact gun does not have enough power because my compressor is not big enough.

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Old 07-24-2014, 08:32 AM   #8
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Default Re: Getting the Bolt Off the End of the Crankshaft

Problem I had when trying to get mine off with the crow-bar method of jamming the pulley:

I looked at all possible angles but the only angle that worked had my crowbar resting against the aluminum timing cover, so all the force I was using on the crank pulley bolt was just mashing the crowbar into the timing cover.

It actually resulted in creating a dent large enough that later developed a slight oil leak.

I was never successful in getting the bolt loose w/ the breaker bar + 4' pipe. I even tried bumping the starter twice.


I will say USE CAUTION if you're planning on jamming a crowbar in the pulley. If you FUBAR the timing cover, you're in for a much larger project than replacing the crank seal.

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Old 07-30-2014, 12:15 PM   #9
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Problem I had when trying to get mine off with the crow-bar method of jamming the pulley:

I looked at all possible angles but the only angle that worked had my crowbar resting against the aluminum timing cover, so all the force I was using on the crank pulley bolt was just mashing the crowbar into the timing cover.

It actually resulted in creating a dent large enough that later developed a slight oil leak.

I was never successful in getting the bolt loose w/ the breaker bar + 4' pipe. I even tried bumping the starter twice.


I will say USE CAUTION if you're planning on jamming a crowbar in the pulley. If you FUBAR the timing cover, you're in for a much larger project than replacing the crank seal.
I've never had an issue getting a crank bolt out. But I always use my 1/2" impact gun that does 700ft/lbs in reverse.

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I've done it twice,

1st time I used a big plumber's wrench and put the bottom jaw under one of the 3 "spokes" of the crankshaft pulley, and the handle of the wrench was nestled against the sway bar (so it wouldn't slide out ) with the bottom end of wrench touching the ground (or raised up with a wood block or 2).

this last time I used a 16" long or so 1" or 1.5" piece of iron pipe positioned in the same way.

Worked quite well. Doesn't damage anything.

(Now the hard part I am having is holding the crank to tighten the flywheel (ok, flexplate..) to torque converter bolts. Harder because you are turning the other way and wrench/pipe goes under right side so you don't have the sway bar to keep from sliding out...)

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Oh yeah,
I also take the windshield wiper fluid bottle out of the way so I can get the breaker bar + cheater pipe through that opening...

That said, I think getting on the ground with breaker bar under bumper and pushing up actually did it the one time

Wratcheting 1/2" breaker bar (NOT torque wrench) would be key here, as you could get the right position where you can crack the nut open...

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