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View Poll Results: Will you register your S-Series when it is eligible for Historical Vehicle status?
Yes, I will register my S-Series as an Historical Vehicle 27 58.70%
No, I will not register my S-Series as an Historical Vehicle 7 15.22%
Why? It's JUST a Car.... 8 17.39%
What does it mean to register a car as an Historical Vehicle? 4 8.70%
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Old 11-08-2010, 07:48 PM   #41
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Generally the factors that affect collectability and value of older vehicles include: milestone status, limited production, racing history, and, to an extent, controversy.

Examples of milestone status include the 1953 Corvette, 1955 to 1957Thunderbirds, 1960 Corvair, and the 1957 Chrysler 300C. There's nothing about the S-series Saturn that one might consider a milestone.

Most first generation Corvettes are limited to less than 10,000 samples in any model year (only 300 1953 Corvettes). The Thunderbirds and the Chrysler 300C, being high end automobiles in their time, were also limited production models. There's nothing limited in Saturn production.

Corvettes, Chrysler 300C's, and Corvairs have a racing lineage. With the exception of "beater" racing, Saturn S-series cars have essentially no racing heritage.

Controversy has a way of making cars, even those with adverse publicity, objects of special interest. The Corvairs and the Edsels have benefitted from that status. The Edsel might just be a glorified late 1950's Ford or Mercury if not for its controversial styling and the Corvairs might have the collectibility of a Plymouth Valiant if not for the Nader induced infamy. Nothing controversial on an S-series Saturn exists to my knowledge.

In short, none of the factors that make a vehicle collectible or valuable apply to the Saturn S-series. At best, it may be a car of minor interest in the same vein as Crosleys, Henry J's, and Nash Metropolitans.

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There are a number of S-Series that are Limited Production. While these limited production models are mostly cosmetic, some of them DID offer bells and whistles that other model S-Series were limited in having or not having...

A prime example of this was the Homecoming Editions:

1994: 3500 made
1999: 4000 made

Each car was loaded with all of the bells and whistles (Cruise, Fog Lights, Sunroofs, etc.); as well as a leather/cloth combination that was not found on any other Sedan that was made across the entire 12 year run of S-Series Sedans.

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Old 11-08-2010, 08:41 PM   #42
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There are a number of S-Series that are Limited Production. While these limited production models are mostly cosmetic, some of them DID offer bells and whistles that other model S-Series were limited in having or not having...

A prime example of this was the Homecoming Editions:

1994: 3500 made
1999: 4000 made

Each car was loaded with all of the bells and whistles (Cruise, Fog Lights, Sunroofs, etc.); as well as a leather/cloth combination that was not found on any other Sedan that was made across the entire 12 year run of S-Series Sedans.
Based on the number of members across this forum who are unwilling to pay any significant premium for the Homeless Editions I'd say "So what, they're an S-series Saturn?".

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Old 11-09-2010, 12:34 AM   #43
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Based on the number of members across this forum who are unwilling to pay any significant premium for the Homeless Editions I'd say "So what, they're an S-series Saturn?".

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We don't have the same appreciation for the cars. Agree to disagree, I'm not going to throw words around on a car forum and mudsling.

Then again, no one respected Corvairs when they were out in the 60s either.

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Old 11-09-2010, 11:09 AM   #44
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I'd also collect plastic body parts so I could make...a "neapolitan" S-Series just for laughs...
Wow - I actually thought about doing that. Like the 1996 VW Golf "Harlequin":

http://www.rossvw.com/vw/pics/harlequin/Thumbs1.htm

I don't think S-series are ever going to be "collectible" in the sense that rich old guys will pay $50K+ for them at Barrett-Jackson. But in 20 years or so, a nice well-kept S-series will be welcome at a classic car show. And for every prick who puts you down for bringing a Saturn to a car show, you'll get three people who say "Wow, I had one just like this in college! How cool is that? Thanks for bringing it out!"

Don't laugh, but I would rather see a pristine 1981 Chevette Scooter (like the one my buddy's mom had when I was 10) at a car show than yet another '57 Bel Air or Cobra replica.

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Old 11-09-2010, 01:35 PM   #45
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Wow - I actually thought about doing that. Like the 1996 VW Golf "Harlequin":

http://www.rossvw.com/vw/pics/harlequin/Thumbs1.htm

I don't think S-series are ever going to be "collectible" in the sense that rich old guys will pay $50K+ for them at Barrett-Jackson. But in 20 years or so, a nice well-kept S-series will be welcome at a classic car show. And for every prick who puts you down for bringing a Saturn to a car show, you'll get three people who say "Wow, I had one just like this in college! How cool is that? Thanks for bringing it out!"

Don't laugh, but I would rather see a pristine 1981 Chevette Scooter (like the one my buddy's mom had when I was 10) at a car show than yet another '57 Bel Air or Cobra replica.
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Old 11-09-2010, 03:34 PM   #46
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Don't laugh, but I would rather see a pristine 1981 Chevette Scooter (like the one my buddy's mom had when I was 10) at a car show than yet another '57 Bel Air or Cobra replica.
does that replica come complete with the death trap feature by default?

also, will that Chevette scooter be a diesel?

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does that replica come complete with the death trap feature by default?

also, will that Chevette scooter be a diesel?
On the later Chevettes, a Diesel engine was an option.

I had an 86 Chevette that was an automatic, had 137K miles on it when I sold it.

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Totally! I learned to drive on a 1978 Chevette 4 speed stick. Options included lightning bolt racing stripe, rear defrost and roof rack. Fully equipped with 1.6 liter SOHC engine, rear wheel drive, manual steering, manual brakes (no boost!), manual locks and windows, vinyl seats, 2 speaker AM radio and white wall radial tires. I could steer that baby in the snow almost entirely with the throttle!

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I'm also the oddball who will walk past a '63 split-window Corvette to see a straight-six Biscayne with three-on-the-tree. You can see a nice Corvette at almost any car show or cruise-in, but when's the last time you saw a nice Biscayne?

Or a late-70's Rabbit?
Or an early-80's Escort?
Or a slant-six Valiant or Dart?
Or any Fox-chassis Ford from the late 70's/early 80's other than a Mustang?

I'm tellin' ya, it will be cool if someone brings a nice S-series to a car show in 2030.

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I don't think S-series are ever going to be "collectible" in the sense that rich old guys will pay $50K+ for them at Barrett-Jackson. But in 20 years or so, a nice well-kept S-series will be welcome at a classic car show. And for every prick who puts you down for bringing a Saturn to a car show, you'll get three people who say "Wow, I had one just like this in college! How cool is that? Thanks for bringing it out!"

I'm counting on this, and have seen it already. I've brought my Saturn to a "cruise night" and heard a person say they used to have one.

My 1996 SC2 was garage kept for 18 years and currently only has 46,000 miles

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Because these cars are so well built and economical, they’re still too common on today’s roads. Add the fact that they have contemporary and timeless styling and rust free body panels and they can be mistaken for a younger car.

I see two ‘Saturns that sit’ every day. Sitting in front yards for months and not moving. Apparently being held onto for some reason.

A group of us have entered the Extinct Car Show in Boston for a handful of years and always had a good time and positive feedback.
The value is set on rarity and ‘Look what I’m driving!’ so these cars will most likely not generate a bidding war at auction.

I just don’t know.

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Old 07-28-2018, 01:13 PM   #52
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I've been quietly biding my time with my '99 SL, accumulating some items I'd like to display with it at a car show in the future and, more recently, Saturn-specific memorabilia and 1999 brochures. It seems people my age in their late 20s up through their late 30s have taken interest in classic base-model econo-cars; some big hits at car shows today are clean Chrysler K-platform models. Part of it is due to nostalgia -- a lot of us grew up with parents who toted us around in such vehicles, and thus we have a lot of memories made with them. Part of it is also due to their scarcity -- many 20+ year old economy cars are still daily'd even now.

I bought a newer car last year, which has since become my daily as of this summer, allowing me to start slowing the aging process of my Saturn. When I got my SL a few years back, it was in strangely immaculate condition, and had been garage kept from April '99 through December '14. Since I had to daily it for a few years and park it outdoors, I've done all I can to maintain its mechanical condition as well as its cosmetic condition -- from using synthetic wax every three months, to conditioning the rubber seals and wipes with 303 Aerospace, to making sure everything is UV protected without being overcoated, using sun shades, etc.

I understand the vehicle itself will likely never be worth much aside from being a base-model SL with only A/C, but that's one of the reasons I love it, and it's still a treasure to me every time I walk outside and see that car. Climbing into a cabin as clean as its is such a strange callback to my childhood; the smells, the texture of the seats, the quality of the plastic, everything reminds me of the 90s economy cars my parents drove when I was growing up, sitting in the back seat playing on a Gameboy, listening to whatever grunge was popular on the radio. It's at once a warm and sad sensation, that whole "mono no aware" concept of the sad beauty of time passing. Exotic and hard-to-obtain cars will probably always remain the most popular at car shows, but I understand why classic econo-cars are becoming popular, and the demographic who share similar sentiments with such vehicles is growing. I hope that perhaps I can share the experience with some by caring for my SL over the next six years, and presenting her at a car show.

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I'd have a couple more years before I could register my '96 with an antique vehicle tag here in Virginia, but it really wouldn't be legal as a daily driver. The restrictions on mileage and club/show/occasional use would probably never matter, since the insurance company and state probably don't report back and forth. I see a decent amount of the antique tags on vehicles that are in traffic during commuting hours and appear to be DD vehicles, but in my mind why roll the dice to save a few bucks?

If I still had the car and it met the legal criteria, I'd probably do it. But my beater is far from the condition that should represent Saturns at a show, so I'll leave that to the people that have given their cars more time and attention. Though I appreciate the value of the car (and we purchased it new) to me it's just a commuter for the most part.




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I've been quietly biding my time with my '99 SL, accumulating some items I'd like to display with it at a car show in the future and, more recently, Saturn-specific memorabilia and 1999 brochures. It seems people my age in their late 20s up through their late 30s have taken interest in classic base-model econo-cars; some big hits at car shows today are clean Chrysler K-platform models. Part of it is due to nostalgia -- a lot of us grew up with parents who toted us around in such vehicles, and thus we have a lot of memories made with them. Part of it is also due to their scarcity -- many 20+ year old economy cars are still daily'd even now.

I bought a newer car last year, which has since become my daily as of this summer, allowing me to start slowing the aging process of my Saturn. When I got my SL a few years back, it was in strangely immaculate condition, and had been garage kept from April '99 through December '14. Since I had to daily it for a few years and park it outdoors, I've done all I can to maintain its mechanical condition as well as its cosmetic condition -- from using synthetic wax every three months, to conditioning the rubber seals and wipes with 303 Aerospace, to making sure everything is UV protected without being overcoated, using sun shades, etc.

I understand the vehicle itself will likely never be worth much aside from being a base-model SL with only A/C, but that's one of the reasons I love it, and it's still a treasure to me every time I walk outside and see that car. Climbing into a cabin as clean as its is such a strange callback to my childhood; the smells, the texture of the seats, the quality of the plastic, everything reminds me of the 90s economy cars my parents drove when I was growing up, sitting in the back seat playing on a Gameboy, listening to whatever grunge was popular on the radio. It's at once a warm and sad sensation, that whole "mono no aware" concept of the sad beauty of time passing. Exotic and hard-to-obtain cars will probably always remain the most popular at car shows, but I understand why classic econo-cars are becoming popular, and the demographic who share similar sentiments with such vehicles is growing. I hope that perhaps I can share the experience with some by caring for my SL over the next six years, and presenting her at a car show.
The above is just an awesome representation of the differences in collecting or keeping due to financial value and emotional value. Even the high end collectors often don't know which cars will pull huge money until they age, since the options/runs/rarity/etc isn't established. But any of us can know what cars give us that emotional tie in to our lives, and that can be a valuable thing.

Being a kid of the 60's, I grew up around many cars that would be worth a metric crap ton of money these days. Those muscle cars that are so desired now were often the hand me downs from parents or cheap first cars we owned. If I could go back in time just our high school parking lot had plenty of cars that I could buy and make a crap load of money from if I maintained and stored them for another 20 years or so. And being many of them easily pull 6 figures at auctions, it would be worth the time and effort.

Those cars would make me money. But really, they wouldn't be the cars I would want if I was going to keep or use it.

The '69 T-Bird 429 that was my first car.... I'd pay good money if I could find it, even if it was beat. Several across the country trips as a kid. More across the country after I got it. And way, way, way too many fun times that were had and involved that car than I will probably ever remember. I should have kept it.

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The Saturn reminds me a little of the VW bug. Cheap and you saw them everywhere long after production stopped. Only then you didn't see them often anymore. It floors me what a clean-ish bug goes for these days.

Neither of my saturns is clean enough to be a showpiece. I have them because I like them and they are cheap to own and run.

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I have to vote "No" for now. My Saturn has about 2.5 years until it's 25. I'm hoping to use it as our grocery getter and 2nd car for a few more years after that.

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