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Old 11-22-2008, 12:01 AM   #1
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Default 1997 saturn sw trouble code 1599

Bought '97 Saturn Station Wagon for daughter -- has been running great past 8 months since purchse - few weeks ago Service Engine light came on then off, etc. Car ran fine with the light on. Started up, put into reverse, car stalled. Few hours later started up with plumes of smoke and rough idle. Shut off, restarted heavy smoke. Got it down to the mechanic a block away with no problems. Restarted it in the morning - no smoke, no problems. ???? Mechanic brought into shop to put on tester. Started & stopped fine couple times - third time heavy smoke. Code came up 1599 - stall code. Looked up code some say blocked catalytic converter some say EGR. Hoping it's nothing major, just can't afford to replace her car again. Any suggestions? Help!

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Old 11-22-2008, 12:13 AM   #2
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Default Re: 1997 saturn sw trouble code 1599

i think there's nothing major will happen, you just need to replace some parts... havent you asked the mechanic about the problem in the car?

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Old 11-22-2008, 12:50 AM   #3
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First issue to investigate would be if the original engine coolant temperature sensor (ECTS) was replaced. If not, replace it immediately with the brass one. Use the Forum Jump near the bottom right of this page to find the How-to library for pictures and procedures. This will rule out its effect on this problem as it fails leaving the engine running rich all the time and flooding at other times. The 1599 is useless since you already know the symptoms without having an error code tell you unless there are other codes to go along with it!? If the ects doesn't correct this problem then there's more troubleshooting. The ects can be bought from any store stocking it.

A blocked catcon or faulty egr valve won't cause the heavy smoking; a clogged catcon just strangles the exhaust from exiting and makes the engine choke. Constipation. A faulty egr valve usually drops rpm's at the wrong time as a stumble, hesitation, stalling tendency without creating the smokescreen.

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Old 11-23-2008, 01:40 PM   #4
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Will pick up the ECTS today and have mechanic change out tomorrow -- made sure it was brass. --- Now, playing devil's advocate and since Murphy usually has a bite hold on me that "what can go wrong, will...." if the ECTS does not change the problem - any further suggestions? I know the mechanic will put it back on his analyzer and see if there are any other trouble codes but chances are it will be something else because it usually is. Why would an ECTS cause the engine to smoke the way it did? I didn't smell the sweet of coolant, it was more like plain old oil. But it then went away and then came back after the 3rd restart. --- Why can't we just go back to the old days of simple carbs and springs on the chokes.....

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Old 11-23-2008, 01:52 PM   #5
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the ECTS probably wouldn't be the primary issue, but it probably makes worse any issue you do have, so it's important to get it fixed before you can do any meaningful diagostics.

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The 1599 means that the car almost died, quit running while it was not supposed to. It is really not your main problem here. Smoke is an issue though.

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Old 11-23-2008, 02:33 PM   #7
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Purely speculating on the following; if oil level/checking wasn't maintained and allowed to run very low, burning up the engine can cook a valve or two, ruin piston rings from lack of lubrication, and generate a nice blue smoke cloud. A compression test can help look into this area. If the smoke is black then its more likely a very fuel rich exhaust from excess fuel not burning completely. Excessive white smoke can be from moisture burning out from inside the catcon on very cold/humid days or a head gasket blown and now leaking coolant into the cylinders for generating smoke and the sickly sweet smell of anti-freeze out the exhaust.

Forget carburetors, electronic fuel injection is here to stay only because of better electronics for overall better engine controls along with strict emissions controls. Although carbs were great in the old days and simple to work on, they can't hold up against precise emissions control when the O2 sensor rats out the emissions to the engine computer and says "Whoa there Fred, this smells too rich/lean and the cat downstream ain't gonna' like it so change your mixtures NOW!" Until we go all electric with plug-in rechargeable batteries with more range (and less political stonewalling from the oil conglomerates) or work out the logististics/safety aspects of an all propane driven engine (think industrial fork lifts), we're going to stay with EFI systems as the best all-around gasoline engine management system, bar none.

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