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Old 12-29-2020, 05:27 PM   #1
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Default 1995 Saturn SC2 - No Oil Left in Car, It's on the Driveway

I started my car, drove a block down the road, oil light came on. I pulled over, immediately turned off the engine. Checked the dip stick. NO OIL showing. I added a half quart of oil and checked the dipstick. No show. Looked under car, puddle of oil on pavement, dripping from underneath.
I walked home and found a pond of oil in the driveway where I had started my car and a trail down the road where I had driven.
A neighborhood mechanic (doesn't work on Saturns, my bad), added oil to my car and told me to start the car and immediately turn it off. He said oil poured out from underneath my car. He thinks it is the oil filter or the block. Note: I have not had my oil changed in forever (really bad on my part) BUT, I check it weekly and keep it topped off. I only drive about 10 miles per week now. I have 195,000 miles on this car I have had since 2004. And, I love this car! Please help (Sorry for the long post)
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Old 12-29-2020, 07:00 PM   #2
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Default Re: 1995 Saturn SC2 - No Oil Left in Car, It's on the Driveway

So, what is the question:

Should you run the engine any more like this? NO!

Is the engine possibly damaged? Yes.

Should you find where the leak is from so we can advise you better? Yes.

Generally, I advise towing/pushing the car to where you can lift it up for inspection. If the leak is something easy to fix, like the spin-on filter, then fix that so the engine can be run again for further evaluation. If you see oil pouring through a hole in the block, then time for an engine replacement. Post pictures, we love pictures...
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Old 12-29-2020, 08:00 PM   #3
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Post Re: 1995 Saturn SC2 - No Oil Left in Car, It's on the Driveway

My guess lost oil plug or hole in oil pan, loose filter, hole in block.

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Old 12-29-2020, 08:01 PM   #4
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Default Re: 1995 Saturn SC2 - No Oil Left in Car, It's on the Driveway

Doubtful it's the block. And I have never heard of a filter letting go suddenly...I had a rubber seal on an oil filter let go 30 years ago after an oil change but never heard of any other issues from people.

Check your filter to see if somehow it has rusted through (doubtful)...maybe if you haven't changed oil in quite awhile the rubber seal has failed...anything's possible. Also, check your oil pan - they rust out but usually seep, not gush
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Old 12-29-2020, 09:45 PM   #5
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My guess lost oil plug or hole in oil pan, loose filter, hole in block.

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Thank you. I checked my oil. It apparently blew out onto the driveway AFTER I started the car and drove off. The oil light came on after I drove down the road past about 6 houses. Most of the oil is in my driveway. Now it is under the car 6 houses down. Okay, so I will find someone who will jack up car and look.
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Old 12-30-2020, 12:17 AM   #6
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Default Re: 1995 Saturn SC2 - No Oil Left in Car, It's on the Driveway

you should be able to see the bolt (drain plug) on the oil pan without jacking the car. I also slide a mirror under the car when I can't slide all the way under it myself. (make sure you block the wheels if you crawl under)

If you find the missing bolt somewhere, remember there is also a rubber gasket.
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Old 12-30-2020, 06:24 AM   #7
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Default Re: 1995 Saturn SC2 - No Oil Left in Car, It's on the Driveway

Push the car home, and get some kitty litter on the oil in the driveway and the street.... you don't want anyone driving through that much oil.

Get a flash light and crawl underneath and start looking around. If it's only coming out in quantity it's got to be around the filter. I can't think of any where else where you would get pressurized oil coming out.... unless maybe these engine have pressurized oil in the timing cover?

Other possibility is that it's ATF..... you checking the right dipstick? The transmission filter sometimes come loose, I've heard. Mine is leaking a tiny bit.
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Old 12-30-2020, 01:07 PM   #8
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Default Re: 1995 Saturn SC2 - No Oil Left in Car, It's on the Driveway

These engines certainly do have pressurized oil in the timing cover; the timing cover is where the oil pump is and the cover has some surfaces/tolerances that are even critical to proper pump operation.

On the back of the block there are several plugs along the oil galley that feeds the main bearings. One has the oil pressure switch which could also leak (along with any of those plugs). The head gasket has to seal pressurized oil going up to the head; another possible leak.

Still, I think most of us are convinced this is probably one of these:

1) Loose/punctured/missing filter

2) Loose/missing drain plug

3) Hole in block from thrown rod

4) Punctured pan

PS: After reading the first post again, my impression is that the added oil didn't start leaking until the engine was restarted, which would eliminate #2 above...

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Default Re: 1995 Saturn SC2 - No Oil Left in Car, It's on the Driveway

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These engines certainly do have pressurized oil in the timing cover; the timing cover is where the oil pump is and the cover has some surfaces/tolerances that are even critical to proper pump operation.
Ok, good to know. I'm used to thinking of them being in the oil pan... although, I guess my Buick 350 has the pump in the timing cover, now that I think of it.


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1) Loose/punctured/missing filter

2) Loose/missing drain plug

3) Hole in block from thrown rod

4) Punctured pan

PS: After reading the first post again, my impression is that the added oil didn't start leaking until the engine was restarted, which would eliminate #2 above...
I don't think 2-4 are likely if the oil is only being ejected while the car is running and it's that quick in the driveway. I have never thrown a rod through a block... but that doesn't sound like it would be a quiet event, to me.
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Default Re: 1995 Saturn SC2 - No Oil Left in Car, It's on the Driveway

So what’s the verdict? Might be oil filter. Should be trivial to see even without jacks. You could drive around with the valve cover off and not sling oil that fast. The oil filter comes right off the oil pump.
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Old 12-30-2020, 11:52 PM   #11
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Default Re: 1995 Saturn SC2 - No Oil Left in Car, It's on the Driveway

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1) Loose/punctured/missing filter

2) Loose/missing drain plug

3) Hole in block from thrown rod

4) Punctured pan

PS: After reading the first post again, my impression is that the added oil didn't start leaking until the engine was restarted, which would eliminate #2 above...
You can eliminate 3 too. Thrown rods you wouldn’t be able to start it and it would be a racket.
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Old 12-31-2020, 01:01 AM   #12
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Default Re: 1995 Saturn SC2 - No Oil Left in Car, It's on the Driveway

I can agree there would be a lot of racket, but not run? I have driven (four different) vehicles with a broken crank, a broken piston that punched out the crankcase, disintegrated diff spider gears, and manual trans missing entire lower case and cluster gear. Also an engine that overheated until it seized, then cooled it off for restart and continue on for many miles...

Still, the oil filter seems like the most likely suspect.
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Old 01-04-2021, 01:00 PM   #13
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Default Re: 1995 Saturn SC2 - No Oil Left in Car, It's on the Driveway

As long as we are throwing out WAGs I'll have a go

I bet it was a disgruntled former shop that came to OPs driveway
and removed the oil plug.

Why would they do that you ask?

OP got angry and stopped using the shop because they were not able to fix a vaguely described issue
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Old 01-04-2021, 11:50 PM   #14
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Thank you to all that responded to my problem.
Because of the Holiday and the weekend, I found it hard to get help with a push. Although, I did see a great HACK online where you wrap the seatbelt around you like a harness and steer it from the outside.
Anyway, my neighbor is going to pull it with his vehicle tomorrow and we will have a look.
The mechanic/shop I had used for years decided that quote: "Saturns are obsolete and it is hard to find parts. We don't work on those old cars any longer." Kind of hurt my feelings, but so glad I didn't tow it to him last week.
I try to work on my own car, THANKS TO THIS FORUM! I replaced the water pump and belt through this wonderful site.
I will probably be back on tomorrow after I get the car here and have a look. Thanks again!
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The mechanic/shop I had used for years decided that quote: "Saturns are obsolete and it is hard to find parts. We don't work on those old cars any longer."
What? GM sold almost 2.5 million S series during it's lifespan from 91-02. Parts are still easy to find. Especially engine parts relating to an oil leak. Find a competent shop.
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What? GM sold almost 2.5 million S series during it's lifespan from 91-02. Parts are still easy to find. Especially engine parts relating to an oil leak. Find a competent shop.
Sounds like your mechanic was having a bad day, time to find a new mechanic.

There are some parts that are getting a bit harder to find, but it's no big deal yet, Rockauto has nearly everything you could ever need. When I bring my car to my mechanic I supply all the parts and there is no trouble.

That said these cars are simple machines that are easy to work on. I can do 90% of needed repairs to my S series with basic hand tools, try that with a 5 year old car. Without a computer degree you can forget it!
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What? GM sold almost 2.5 million S series during it's lifespan from 91-02. Parts are still easy to find. Especially engine parts relating to an oil leak. Find a competent shop.
There certainly are some parts that are getting hard to get. I almost had to scrap mine just because I couldn't find a manual window regulator for an SC. you'll spend time hunting in the junkyards or using online junkyard searches (which in my experience result in hits for parts that do not exist).

Dealership-wise its especially an issue. When I look at the GM parts catalog nearly everything you see is discontinued.

So knock on wood we can keep our cars running with junk yard parts. Myprevious car was a 77 Celica. People said I'd always find parts because they made millions of them. Well the day did come when the junk yard dried up. And we're probably only 5 years or so away from that with the 90's Saturns.

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In New York area... the junk yards are slowing down 'cause the cars
are so good. And obsolete Saturns , many driven by cheapskates like me,
who needs That!

When i was in my 20s there was a neighbor upstreet. He had worked as a machinist at Grumman Aircraft/Aerospace for 30 years ... had a lathe in his garage, etc. I had an old, aircooled VW. His message to me:
If you cannot buy parts for a car... It is JUNK!!
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[QUOTE][/QUITE a machinist at Grumman Aircraft/Aerospace for 30 years ... had a lathe in his garage, etc. I had an old, aircooled VW. His message to me:
If you cannot buy parts for a car... It is JUNK!!


I wonder if your neighbor meant something like a Maxwell being junk, as I have an air cooled VW as well, do believe everything, every piece is available still as new or reproduction?
If Some shop told me Saturns are too old to service/repair , I would definitely find a new shop as well.
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My two cents is, sell this car. —It obviously requires routine maintenance That is a bit much to ask for these days. You need a new car that you can neglect for years and years
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