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Old 07-07-2005, 03:05 PM   #1
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Is there a hybrid on the horizon? I heard talk of a VUE hybrid prototype made...Will they have an ION hybrid, or a new model?

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Old 07-07-2005, 07:10 PM   #2
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Old 07-07-2005, 08:51 PM   #3
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VUE hybrid in about 6 months. That is confirmed.

Aura hybrid maybe according to rumors.

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Old 07-08-2005, 08:08 AM   #4
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One thing is certain ,dont expect any discounts or incentives.Like the new Vette and Mustang the public wants these cars and is willing to pay full list in some cases.As of yesterday near my home regular gas was approching the $250 a gallon level and most people want relief..If you ever dreamed of owning a large SUV or pick up the for sale signs are starting to be posted on many. If you can afford the gas nows the time to steal one. According to yesterdays paper Chrysler is now selling Grand Cherokees for $22 Grand and Libertys for $16 Grand.Seems they are promising to out do GM.

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Old 07-08-2005, 09:22 AM   #5
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Maybe if Saturn was the Saturn of old (an autonomous company), the attitude might be different and we would be DRIVING a Saturn hybrid by now.

With GM absorbing Saturn as it has, we will have to wade through corporate gobbleydogook and time to get a hybrid.

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Old 07-08-2005, 09:45 AM   #6
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If Saturn was the Saturn of old (an autonomous company), they would not be able to afford to develop a hybrid.

It's a compromise.

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Old 07-08-2005, 10:04 AM   #7
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If Saturn was the Saturn of old (an autonomous company), they would not be able to afford to develop a hybrid.

It's a compromise.
True. I did overlook that.
However, I beleive the forward thinking would have been there.

And a sad compromise it is.

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Old 07-08-2005, 11:04 AM   #8
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True. I did overlook that.
However, I beleive the forward thinking would have been there.

And a sad compromise it is.

The forward thinking has always been at the Saturn level. It's taken far too long for GM to bring these to realization. If Saturn were not in the position it is now, it would be receiving more mediocre products or be facing elimination.
I would rather wait for a worthy hybrid than to deal with a problematic half-finished product. Saturn is finally receiving the "attention" it has needed for many years. In my opinion, the position of being closer in the GM fold has brought about more positive changes and a new direction.

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Old 07-08-2005, 11:22 AM   #9
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The forward thinking has always been at the Saturn level. It's taken far too long for GM to bring these to realization. If Saturn were not in the position it is now, it would be receiving more mediocre products or be facing elimination.
I would rather wait for a worthy hybrid than to deal with a problematic half-finished product. Saturn is finally receiving the "attention" it has needed for many years. In my opinion, the position of being closer in the GM fold has brought about more positive changes and a new direction.
Those are good points you have made. I made my assumption under the fact that GM cancelled the EV1. It came at a time when hybrids were coming into light, and then GM decides to cancel their only idea. I haven't seen any mention (except rumours) that GM was getting into hybrid production, hence my shortsightedness.

Perhaps somebody can show us GM is moving in that direction?. Ford sure does.

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Perhaps somebody can show us GM is moving in that direction?. Ford sure does.
Here you go:

http://www.gm.com/company/onlygm/hybrids.html

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Old 07-08-2005, 12:35 PM   #11
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That's all fine in good for public transportation vehicles, but what about passenger cars?
Am I missing something in that link?

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Old 07-08-2005, 12:44 PM   #12
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That's all fine in good for public transportation vehicles, but what about passenger cars?
Am I missing something in that link?
You need to click on the years (2006, 2007, etc.). They have the Vue and Malibu information posted.

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Old 07-08-2005, 12:48 PM   #13
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Old 07-08-2005, 09:16 PM   #14
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That GM website indicates the Vue and Malibu (and Aura?) will only see a 10% improvement in gas mileage. I believe this subject has been discussed in previous posts but I'll raise it here anyway; can't GM do better than 10%? It seems this will be a concern as gas prices continue to rise and the Japanese continue to produce a more fuel efficient product.

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Old 07-08-2005, 10:06 PM   #15
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NEWS FLASH!!!!!!
2005 ION 5-sp can be had for under $11,000 and gets 35MPG with A/C

So wait I can get a sporty 140HP car that gets 35 MPG and pay 1/2 the price of a Prius??? that cant be right


30 seconds of searching on this site and others will tell you that the 10% gain will be from a BAS system(mild hybrid) that wont cost as much as full hybrid systems. It will also be mated to the 2.4L engine.

The 2006 2.4L ION gets 32MPG highway(auto) the same at the 2.2L

VUE gets 27MPG highway (auto) with the 2.2... + 10% puts it up to 30 with a 170HP plus 2.4L

So 170HP plus and 30 MPG and only a mild increase in price over the 2.2L.

So I dont see a problem with that.

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Old 07-08-2005, 11:12 PM   #16
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To be honest my nre '05 ION2 was actually my second choice...Thing was, the Prius was a little too pricey for me and the long waiting lists at Toyota dealerships turned me off, and I needed a new car ASAP after my last one was totalled. I do get a little envious when I see the recent model Priuses roll around town. They're pretty popular here in Los Angeles (as with Saturns, too).

I also believe the GM EV1 was a mere token offering by a Big 3 manufacturer saying, "Look, we made an electric car, and it wasn't exactly hotcakes. The book is closed on on electric vehicles by GM, capeche?" The fact that it was only a lease and was never developmed further into other makes and models would lead my hypothesis to be true. I mean, even if a conventional internal combusion automobile had regenerative braking and an electrically-generated system to power the AC, for example, that would be remarkable.

But no, instead we're still forced to depend on foreign oil.

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The EV1 was only availible as a lease because selling them would have required making parts availible across the GM network for years to come. They knew it was quasi-experimental, and that doing that would be a stupid move financially. What killed the EV1, and the manufacture of electric cars by major manufacturers in general, was range. The EV1 could beat a miata in acceleration, and was a very nice car, but 120 miles is a rather limiting distance for anyone.

An interesting read for anyone who likes to learn about automotive tech or the EV1: The Car That Could:, The : The Inside Story of GM's Revolutionary Electric Vehicle

On a side note, gmtuner.com used to link to an article (before a hacker screwed the site up and forced the forum to start over) that indicated that GM was potentially trading some R&D info from its truck development in exchange for some R&D info from the Toyota Prius' platform - potentially giving GM a quick jump closer to having some hybrids (a move which could potentially be required to continue life as an auto manufacturer within a few years, I think). GM seems to have gotten a good hold on their quality in most cases, now hopefully they're moving toward some great new tech.

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So wait I can get a sporty 140HP car that gets 35 MPG and pay 1/2 the price of a Prius??? that cant be right
I was playing with numbers, and it's quite the benefit of getting the ION as far as money goes. With an assumed life of 200,000 miles, ION economy of 35 mpg, Prius economy of 55 mpg, the Prius will only cost about $3300 less in gas over it's life at $2.50 a gallon. If the price of gas should rise to $3 a gallon, the prius uses about $6,200 less in gasoline over its life. So even at $3 a gallon, the cost of gasoline will not add up to the $10,000 difference in cost between the two base models. The dependancy upon foreign oil is certainly still an issue, but so is the dependancy upon foreign vehicles.

(note: I wanted to edit my prior post and add this in, but apparently I can only edit a post once, and I used that up putting the book link in. Sorry 'bout the back-to-back post)

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I think you can edit more than once, but they must be done within 15 minutes.

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