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Old 10-03-2019, 05:13 PM   #1
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I have an 02 Saturn sc2 if I take off from a stop after sitting for a minute or if I let it idle and rev it up after a minute or two of idling I will get a nice puff of blue smoke. The car has 164,000 the engine supposedly has 120,000 last engine was burned up (ran low on oil).
Compression was great all at 210-212 engine runs good and has no coolant loss. And doesn't smoke when driving.
Is this a valve seal issue or is it an oil control ring issue. I'm sure the engine sat for a little while if it was replaced so maybe the valve seals dried out? Should I just not worry about it or is there anything feasible I can do? I do have the fixed orfice pcv installed as well .
Also unrelated but what is the bulb number for the cluster? I need to get a couple so I may replace them with a blue bulbs but for the life of me cannot remember the bulb number
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Old 10-03-2019, 06:20 PM   #2
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Step 1 is always coolant temp sensor

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Old 10-03-2019, 09:02 PM   #3
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The coolant temp sensor is the brass sensor but what does it have to do with blue smoke ?

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Old 10-03-2019, 09:25 PM   #4
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Default Re: Smoke when taking off from stop light

Likely valve seals or guides.
Inspect the PCV system and make sure that it is OK.

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Old 10-03-2019, 11:05 PM   #5
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Everything I see in the pcv system seems fine as I said I have the fixed orfice pcv in place I assume that is ok?

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Old 10-04-2019, 12:23 AM   #6
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I've only had my Saturn about a month and a half,
but one thing I've learned is that it burns oil.
I always keep extra oil with me and top it off at every fill-up.

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Old 10-04-2019, 01:14 AM   #7
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Don't waste your time with the temperature sensor. If it's truly BLUE smoke and not WHITE smoke, you have an issue with burning oil. Common with the s series. I suggest you take a good look at this post for some help on cleaning out the piston rings. Not too hard of a procedure: http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80118

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Old 10-04-2019, 02:04 AM   #8
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Yep. Piston soak may help. Otherwise just get used to adding a lot of oil.

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Also unrelated but what is the bulb number for the cluster? I need to get a couple so I may replace them with a blue bulbs but for the life of me cannot remember the bulb number
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Should be listed on the LED conversion thread
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Several folks there just ended up (towards the end of the thread) buying regular bulbs from Belmetric or other sources (links and numbers are included towards the end of the thread, I think)

Though . . . since this is a 3rd gen, a Vue cluster with blue lights might be nice. I was thinking of swapping out my Torrent red gauges for the Vue blue

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Old 10-04-2019, 12:57 PM   #10
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I purchased my '99 in Nov 2018. Usage was about 1200 miles to the quart. I performed a Chemtool B12 engine flush. First I put on a fresh Puro Classic 20195 and idled the old oil and 8 ounces of B12 for 20 minutes. Then I drained and refilled with some Quaker State HM oil and drove 202 miles. Then changed the oil again with Mobil Super HM with a 20% concentration of Marvel Mystery Oil and a PSL20195. Ran that for 2000 miles. Recently changed oil again with ~2.8 qt Mobil 1 TDT + 1 qt M1 HM 5w-20 + 7oz mos2 and a Wix 51516. So far looks like a significant improvement.

I will eventually do a piston soak, maybe in the Spring.

Also, I have noticed on my Gas Buddy app trip logs an increase in acceleration events, ha. Engine is running in tip top shape. I do not drive pedal to the metal. My only speeding ticket ever was in the 90s

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Old 10-04-2019, 01:13 PM   #11
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I was considering doing some sort of engine flush + piston soak.

What would be the best chemical to use for a piston soak something that will eat carbon?

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On my old '93 I started out with B12. That stuff will remove any protective film for the pistons/cylinders so next step I sprayed loads of PB Blaster in there for hours. Only then I bumped the engine a few times. Last step was an extended Rislone Engine Treatment soak.

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I never had any luck with MMO. I suspect it works when the build up is very light.
I've read some online who claim success with coca-cola.

There was a guy on here who had great success with B-12. Others thought that was dangerous.

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I have an 02 Saturn sc2 if I take off from a stop after sitting for a minute or if I let it idle and rev it up after a minute or two of idling I will get a nice puff of blue smoke. The car has 164,000 the engine supposedly has 120,000 last engine was burned up (ran low on oil).
Compression was great all at 210-212 engine runs good and has no coolant loss. And doesn't smoke when driving.
Is this a valve seal issue or is it an oil control ring issue. I'm sure the engine sat for a little while if it was replaced so maybe the valve seals dried out? Should I just not worry about it or is there anything feasible I can do? I do have the fixed orfice pcv installed as well .
Also unrelated but what is the bulb number for the cluster? I need to get a couple so I may replace them with a blue bulbs but for the life of me cannot remember the bulb number
Thank you everyone!!
Valve stem seals are shot. It is a common failure in higher mileage twin cams.

I am on my second high-mileage twin cam, and I have the exact same problem.

Just keep an eye on your oil level and keep it topped up.

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I was considering doing some sort of engine flush + piston soak.

What would be the best chemical to use for a piston soak something that will eat carbon?
Do a soak and you'll risk burning your exhaust valves in the #3 cylinder.

I went through all the rigmarole, with my first engine. The SeaFoam treatment did nothing to curb the oil consumption and I was left with a burnt exhaust valve in the #3 cylinder.

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Old 10-05-2019, 03:32 PM   #17
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How did the soak burn your exhaust valve?

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How did the soak burn your exhaust valve?
I added SeaFoam to my fuel tank, in addition to soaking the pistons.

Piston soak is not going to help you, because you have leaking valve stem seals

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Well I did the piston soak and put it back together last night and I no longer have any smoke coming out at stop lights or if I let it sit and then rev the engine.....so it's definitely an improvement. I did a piston soak with motor flush and b12 chemtool then ran a bottle of motor flush through the crankcase and then changed oil and plugs .

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FWIW, my chevy Avalanche has 190K on it.
Went to burning oil at about 1-1/2 qt per 800 miles.
It was so bad, whenever I let off gas then accelerated it blew huge blue clouds out the tail.
Desperate, and no $ to do a ring job.
With a fresh oil change, I added 1 qt Dexron IV and 1 qt Hy-per Lube.
Now literally, after 700 miles of the same city/expressway driving it has not dropped any on the dipstick.
This engine has that AFM GM feature that slips into V4 mode from V8 mode but the Hy-per lube does not seem to mess with that function.
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